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That's the one Laird... Thanks

Yes thats true, amazingly small, how an earth did they get their trials wellies on them. Still, c'mon Laird you must have a photo of this elusive gem hidden away somewhere... Didn t they do well in Scotland around that time with J.Reynolds and that French fella.....Charlie Coutard.

That's the one Ross, the Rolls Royce of trials bikes corca 1978/79 or so I am told.. Sam had some input methinks and you sometimes see the odd one around now... Also in green and badged differently...

Any chance of photos of the early red and white gunacos in action, past or present.. Thanks

Yes, its worth doing..

I have just bought this and its got a list of illnesses , the main and really only one left, is a worn carb. I would like to replace the original TK for the equivlent Mikuni. After making some enquires it appears the dark arts of carburation are in force when it comes to this particular Yamaha. Would any kind person help me in pointing at the carb I might need, along with the relevent jet / needle sizes so I at least try and get it to run halfway right. I would love it to be a bolt on straight of the box , is this really too much to ask.. Thanks in advance

Hi Yes I cannot see a problem doing that, each one will have a different dossier number. Print all the different entries off and send in one envelope.. Et volia. Out of interest are there many Brits apart from the normal/ regular faces coming.

I have just entered myself, so you go to pre inscription there is a yes or no box to tick to start with concerning whether you need additional insurance.. I have the bike insure and are covered so its a no for me, as for riders in the uk I would think. Pre inscription you just fill it out for yourself like any other entry form. You do however add the name of the other team members in the box provided. Level.. Yellow easier route, Blue middle, Red Hard. You download your dossier, which will appear like a pre filled in entry, print it off and send it to the address indicated. Payment for non Frenchies is cash when you arrive to sign on. Don't forget you need to take driving licence, bike registration details and insurance details when you sign on. If I have missed something or anything else needs to be addressed I will post. Don,t forget the Helmet has to correspond to the regs I posted earlier in the thread, if not no ride. Lights must be fitted but don't need to work.

Did nt the Germans lend the greece the money so they could in turn spend the money in..... Germany. The Swiss are buying euros at the moment and with the bad news already in the rate I doubt the euro will go much lower. Lastly I find it amusing that the greek chap in charge is straight on the phone to francois Holland who is straight from the Russel Brand school of economics....what the f45k does he know, apart from throwing good money after bad...Perhaps they think and hope the same.

Just to update a little, the entries should be out today on the Ventoux trial classic site. Bike requirements... Engine sprocket guards must be fitted, along with rear swinging arm guards, where the chain and sprocket meet. lights as mentioned must be of motorcycle origin and not repeat not mountain bike type. The do not have to work. Due to some one trying to be toooooo clever last year , later aircooled mono engines 307/309 Fantic or Aprillias with twinshocks mounted will not be accepted . Helmets must adhere and be stamped ECE 2205 , whilst no expert all trials helmets of the last three years have this anyway.. Good luck and see you there.

Just had confirmation regarding the helmet legality issue.. Apparently helmets need to conform to ECE 22-05 , should be stamped or marked on the inside somewhere.. If this doesn t make sense or poses a question let me know. I have seen them get arsey and turn riders away in previous years so its best sorted out before anybody heads across the channel.. Lights on previous years have never had to work, so I don t see that changing now .

The entries will open for the VTC Classic from the 14 th July, Remember those wanting to ride, bikes must be road legal and you will have to provide doc's . Lights must be fitted... mountain bike / handle bar mounted will not be excepted. Helmets will be checked and from memory have to be less than three or five years old with a makers stamp etc, I will confirm the exact period in the coming days as I will check the exact regulation regarding this. Hope that helps Bon soiree..

There's a word for people who like doing that ......

Pre 65 bikes have always evolved, and from memory this evolution really took off in the early nineties around the time if memory again is correct, corresponded in the heady entries for classic trials including the Sammy miller rounds. Sadly even at this time there were condescending comments aimed at new builds that did not fit the criteria of what people at the time considered to be correct and more often than not modified Ariels took more flack than others. The S.M trials while very good, catered for the old school unmodified bikes and not for the new breed arriving and low scores meant that sometimes the trial was won or lost on a dab. This discouraged the more competitive rider and bike leaving it to the bikes that enjoyed this format. No problem horses for courses... if you know what I mean. Nowadays all the old boys I know with a beard and a shed at the end of the garden are building light weight bikes, where as twenty years ago they were trying to make a Royal Enfield competitive as well as juggling a job and family. More time, perhaps money and a better equipped shed , means they can have a bike now, that if they it drop, they can a least pickup without wearing truss. Twinshock remains cheap trialing, for the time being and in my view age related classes are the way to go . The Spanish have it right with the pre 75,pre 78 pre 80 and the rest... bikes are breathed on but remain in the spirit of the classes.. I have no idea how you rein in the current pre 65 scene if in fact it needs it.. My view is those old bikes of yesteryear will remain in the sheds or used purely to get the sunday papers.

Pre 65 bikes have always evolved, and from memory this evolution really took off in the early nineties around the time if memory again is correct, corresponded in the heady entries for classic trials including the Sammy miller rounds. Sadly even at this time there were condescending comments aimed at new builds that did not fit the criteria of what people at the time considered to be correct and more often than not modified Ariels took more flack than others. The S.M trials while very good, catered for the old school unmodified bikes and not for the new breed arriving and low scores meant that sometimes the trial was won or lost on a dab. This discouraged the more competitive rider and bike leaving it to the bikes that enjoyed this format. No problem horses for courses... if you know what I mean. Nowadays all the old boys I know with a beard and a shed at the end of the garden are building light weight bikes, where as twenty years ago they were trying to make a Royal Enfield competitive as well as juggling a job and family. More time, perhaps money and a better equipped shed , means they can have a bike now, that if they it drop, they can a least pickup without wearing truss. Twinshock remains cheap trialing, for the time being and in my view age related classes are the way to go . The Spanish have it right with the pre 75,pre 78 pre 80 and the rest... bikes are breathed on but remain in the spirit of the classes.. I have no idea how you rein in the current pre 65 scene if in fact it needs it.. My view is those old bikes of yesteryear will remain in the sheds or used purely to get the sunday papers.

Ty 175 to start with, no better bike to start trialing on... many on here did it many moons ago . Then when you have got the hang of it a little maybe the SWM.

So, Dudley motor works then... What an inspired name.. sounds familiar..

I had the pleasure of chatting to Jaime at a trial in classic trial in Spain, , charming, interesting, a real pleasure to speak with, from the Golden era of trials.. Great interview.

Only just...

Thanks for the replies, when we get it started this week, currently void of sparks , we can make a judgement on its running. It has a working speedo and has covered a mere 3000kms in its lifetime if its to be believed, so hopefully not to worn.

I have just bought a very original 1974/75 434 Ty and whilst it has a few little jobs to be done, the carb is one issue. Is it worth trying to resurrect the original TK carb or is it as people in the day seemed to agree , just get the correct Mikuni. What was wrong with the original, Yamaha even then, didn t seem to get it wrong. Thanks

I think take the bikes by all means , but riding a trial as fifteen year olds may prove difficult. Its all to do with a licence, insurance all of which I think will prove to tedious if not impossible to arrange. Next year come down to the Dordogne where the sun shines a little more than Calais and the sections will give you something to really think about. Bon chance

Just had a phone call from this company stating they now cannot do the job for the price they quoted and want even more.... lots of work involved ... only a kickstart and a set of painted mudguard stays to strip . Sadly the SWM wont get the blinged up , but the money saved can go on a set of mudguards and electronic ignition for the TY that recently , crept unseen into the barn one dark night..

Anybody looking to do a very good classic trial should consider the Joel Correy organised trial at Arbercy 22--23 August. Two day trial, 60 sections and around 25 miles of interzone. Meals and rock band organised for the Saturday night. There will be four routes ( Three usually for pre 65 ) and having done this trial before its excellent. Contact Joel at Trail 70 Vesoul for further details and entries ..

Thanks for the replies, I have today sent a polite email explaining the fact its a little pricey and I am awaiting a reply. I have rather,, and this is a French word, bolloxed myself as they have already got the bits in their hands, having lived up to a rather apt nickname of Haisty... and not had a verbal quote before they left this side of the channel, after thinking it wont the that expensive.....