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[bobtlr]

Hey,

i'm looking to bild an ariel 500 that i could use for modern (clubman level) and oldtimer competition,
where can you get the right frame?
long stroke or short stroke? wat engine mods?
i would like something like G. Dufou's bike, M. Grants bike is a bit to much of it

regards bob


ps i now that it is cheeting but i intend to use it in twinshock events where i use an tlr 250 now
would it be easier to use a B40 donor bike ?

any idea of prices for the frame?

[Andy M]

Like this maybe?

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[bobtlr]

something like that but a bit more pre 65 looking and with a nice sammy miller tank on it

[DaveD444]

Like this then?

[magnon]

Should start by stating I am not a top rider, but do enjoy engineering and making things.

I built this over 18 month period, finished it in May 06
497cc short stroke, fixed ign PAL mag, villiers S22 carb now fitted, tooth belt drive mag and primary
Made the frame from T45 18 gauge, bronze welded.
Fork gaitors now fitted and bike looks better because of them.
Bike ready to run with fuel weighs 205lbs
Whitton yokes and hubs used.
Done Scotland & Robregordo once, Manx twice + many local trials and the frames not bust yet !!!

John Bartrum was building frames and modifying the Ariel swinging arm to suit, think cost was @ £1100.

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[bobtlr]

hey,

thats wat i want to bild, i would enter it as a twinshock to be sure no to offend real pre 65 riders and machines
(not much rules in belgium so i dont want to start the same problems as in the uk)

you made the frame yourself? did you used mesurements of an existing frame or you find it yourself ?
where can i get a shortstroke engine and are the better for modern events?
is it a stock engine or are there things that have to be changed to make them work better?
how does it go? turning tight?
could use any info you can give me (27 years old so not 100% up to date on pre 65 pre unit engines but i gues the are not so hard to work on)

regards bob

[magnon]

Hi Bob, happy to provide any info and help I can so just ask.

Tried as best I could keep silhouette like original but did use modern geometry.

You need 350cc Ariel bottom end with std conrod (85mm stroke) and Yamaha xt350 piston (86mm).

I can put you in touch with the ally barrel maker.

Many people have ridden it including Mick Andrews and Sammy Miller it would be fair to say all were very complimentary.

Mick, tested it for Classic Dirtbike Issue Five along with my mates AJS.

Yes it turns tight without tucking or pushing, engines a bit sharp off the bottom, so I'll either drop the compression from 6.2:1 or retard ign again.

It might be easier to PM me.

Magnon

[charlie prescott]

Hi Guy's
Brilliant, I am glad I am not the only one that now think's an Ariel is the bike to build.
I am at present being a bit greedy so I am building three, to go along with the four that we already own.
One has the frame that Dave digarded,the one that Andy Pitt owned, this is going to have the 410 engine with the alloy barrel that we are having cast. The second frame that the jig is set for, is a springer, for the 380 ridged bike that we have.
And the third frame is going to be one inch shorter and house the Model 50 Norton engine, that I am taking out to 380-410 cc "A Noriel" that I have always wanted to build.
If we all pool our information, I am sure we can put you on the right track to build a bike that you will not regret owning.

Regard's Charlie.

[Ducman]

Hi Bob,well i think there is a guy in Germany who is selling 2 Ariels.I'am not shure if he still got them.But ring up Bernd Kreutz in Gressenich and ask him for the telephone Number of Edgar Lossnitzer.That's the guy who is selling the Ariels.Both are 500.
Chrs:Mike

[BOSTIT]

Can anyone point me in the direction of either someone who will set a S22 Villiers carb up for an Ariel or what I'd need to do to one myself to use it?

[B40RT]

Try talking to Surrey Cycles 01483 272 328 e mail surreycycles@fsbdial.co.uk

[charlie prescott]

Hi Guy's.

I have been told that Mick Grant is the boy to sort your S22 carb, I would think Andy sorry "Magnon" would also know.

Villiers Service say that they sell a recon S22 for about £70. so perhaps that is where you should start.

You take your chance on e-Bay for one From about £20-30, But the float bowels are known to corrode to the jet tube and make it imposible to remove so be warned.

Regard's Charlie.

[Woody]

B40RT, on Feb 9 2009, 04:26 PM, said:

Try talking to Surrey Cycles 01483 272 328 e mail surreycycles@fsbdial.co.uk

Pretty certain they only do Amal, but happy to be corrected...

You got yourself an Ariel then Bostit...??

[pitley]

DaveD444, on Feb 8 2009, 07:44 PM, said:

Like this then?

Dont you just wish that you never sold a bike you once had

[charlie prescott]

Hi Guy's

Hi Andy,
Your bike was like spliting the Atom. Because there are now two.

Go On build another, you know you want to. And I am sure Dave and Pete would like to build another up as well.

Regard's Charlie.