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[beatabeta]

Did I read right that the new Raga rep is going to be £5300??

Someone (GG or GGUK) is taking the major p*ss out of loyal customers now.
When the Raga first came out they were £200-300 more than a standard Gasser and represented awesome value considering the extra's you got with them

Now I think that a standard Gasser is about £4300-£4400 at the minute which means that the Raga Rep is £1000 MORE
To make matters worse you dont even get the Ohlins shock or Keihin (on 250cc) now either.

Now I am sure GGUK will use the 'it's not us it's the exchange rate' but to be honest that is a load of balls and just an excuse to wring extra money from loyal customers.

I was tempted by one assuming they were under £5k, however now they can forget it
I'm sure that there are people out there with the money (if not sense) that will buy them and pay that ridiculous premium. Hopefully they will do themselves a favour and wait a couple of months and get the 2010 version leaving the Raga Reps unsold - that is the only way to stop us being taken for a ride (pardon the pun) on this and future Raga Rep prices

[tombo46]

Ive taken a look at one and looked at the spec sheet, looks to me like it has tonnes more than the old ones did? it may not have the Ohlins shock but there is alot more other stuff to compensate.

at the end of the day, GasGas are a business, they can charge whatever they want, they arent forcing anyone to buy it. In the end it will be the customer who decides whether or not they are being ripped off and ultimatly whether or not to buy it.

If the list of Mod's isnt for you, id be tempted to spend the £1000 adding some of your own personalisation to the bike. It will be more tailored to your taste and riding style.

I dont know what the figures are, but with the current financial climate and the poor exchange rate, I would imagine bike sales are down. with such a huge firm the overheads are massive and a small drop in sales can mean the difference between having a ferrari in your drive and going bust.

I also think that there are two types of people who buy the Raga Rep, The ones who feel the modifications already on it will benefit their riding and would have only gone out and bought the parts at a greater cost anyway (the minority), and the type who just have got to have the best production bike, and to anyone who loves 2-strokes, the Raga rep is it. The latter rider is usually buying a bike that is built for riders far beyond their capabilities and will never realise the bikes full potential and are usually the sort who are willing to pay for the top bike. If I was trying to pull back some profit, this group of people would be the ones I would target.

If the old Raga rep was £200 - £300 more than a standard bike and had an ohlins rear shock then it was underpriced in my opinion. they are 400 quid alone and I wouldnt imagine there is much profit in it.

Take a look at the Repsol Montesa, I see tonnes of novice riders on them because they went out and bought the best (most expensive) bike.

Not having a dig, just stating my opinion.

I think one thing we can all agree on is the service GasGasUK provide. in my experience its second to none and this is the reason I will continue to ride with them.

All the best

Tom

[totalshell]

2009's wake up call is the real cost of new bikes..
you get a lot of bike for your 4300 and a fantastic bike for 5300 some are asking 7k. these are the worlds ultimate trials motorcycles yours is very similer to the one that raga lampkin ride. what other sport can boast that.
they are all imported so distribution costs are not low. add the poor value of the pund ( been on hoilday to france/ spain recently) add protected spanish italian french employment laws
and you have a niche market where costs are not going to fall.. only rise ( despite negative inflation)

you can now though buy other serious stuff for 7k and this is where trials manufacturers will start to lose out as thier product becomes price comparable with a new car, performance road bikes etc..

what price a motoircycle scrappge scheme.. i'd be first in the queue for a brand new bike with two k off...

[BenBeta23]

To be Honest i seriously don't know why you are moaning about it, what did you expect, you can't even compare £5300 for a 300 raga to £7600 for a Repsol Mont

At the end of the day you only get what you pay for, plus the Raga looks amazing compared to any other bikes.

Edited by GasGasben, 21 May 2009 - 03:04 PM.

[beatabeta]

GasGasben, on May 21 2009, 04:04 PM, said:

To be Honest i seriously don't know why you are moaning about it, what did you expect, you can't even compare £5300 for a 300 raga to £7600 for a Repsol Mont

At the end of the day you only get what you pay for, plus the Raga looks amazing compared to any other bikes.

I totally agree with you on the Mont - that is just crazy money. I also agree that the Raga looks great
However I dont think anyone can justify where the extra £900 is on the new Raga Rep - Yes it looks different and has some trick bits but not £900 worth.

Value is is what people percieve and some people will think that £5300 is good value - they are paying mainly for paint and stickers! Aside from the magnesium bits, exhaust, silencer and the wheel there is nothing special on the bike that wont be on the 2010 version.
PLUS: dont forget they dont need to pay for - standard casings, exhaust, silencer or rear wheel. So even if you say there is £500 of bits I mentioned above they are saving probably £300 on the standard bits

[gjbiker]

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I also think that there are two types of people who buy the Raga Rep, The ones who feel the modifications already on it will benefit their riding and would have only gone out and bought the parts at a greater cost anyway (the minority), and the type who just have got to have the best production bike, and to anyone who loves 2-strokes, the Raga rep is it. The latter rider is usually buying a bike that is built for riders far beyond their capabilities and will never realise the bikes full potential and are usually the sort who are willing to pay for the top bike. If I was trying to pull back some profit, this group of people would be the ones I would target.

Hit the nail there Tombo, I'm part of the latter group.

I drooled all over it at the SSDT stand, totally gorgeous. Would I pay the extra - yes - if I had the money then why not. Would it help my riding compared to a standard one - no, not one bit. Why would I pay the extra ? Quite simply - because I like it. Isn't that why most people buy things?

GJ

[Rosey]

As has been said... it's what it's worth to people... I mean who in their right mind pays 1000's for a watch when a 10 quid Casio does the same job . The main thing is that the customer wants it! If so then they buy it and hopefully enjoy it.

It certainly looks nice! There is nowt wrong with having the best. And as Tombo46 says GG are not forcing anybody to buy it! The truth is that virtually everyone who has to buy a bike isn't good enough to get the most out of them.... Those who are get them for nowt.

Most of us end up spending money on big engine bikes and then more on tuning them down (flywheel weights slow action throttles etc.) then we go out and find that they still drag us all over the place..... great isn't it! Now I'm not sure if this is true, but I've heard that a true Raga Replica would be unrideable by mortals

5k plus is still a fair bit of dosh to throw at rocks...even if it has a red cylinder head!

[beatabeta]

gjbiker, on Jun 1 2009, 01:03 PM, said:

Hit the nail there Tombo, I'm part of the latter group.

I drooled all over it at the SSDT stand, totally gorgeous. Would I pay the extra - yes - if I had the money then why not. Would it help my riding compared to a standard one - no, not one bit. Why would I pay the extra ? Quite simply - because I like it. Isn't that why most people buy things?

GJ

Great! so basically the message to GG and GGUK is - so long as it looks nice with some different shiny stickers and some extra parts on please charge me £1000 extra.

Why not buy a standard bike and get the bits yourself save money and have spare parts if you need them?

[BenBeta23]

beatabeta, on Jun 5 2009, 09:36 AM, said:

Great! so basically the message to GG and GGUK is - so long as it looks nice with some different shiny stickers and some extra parts on please charge me £1000 extra.

Why not buy a standard bike and get the bits yourself save money and have spare parts if you need them?

They Need to make money some how!!, try to get hold of some of the parts used on the New raga rep, have you actually seen the spec difference between a standard & a Raga

Edited by GasGasben, 05 June 2009 - 10:24 AM.

[steveo]

When a bike is the best, who cares what it costs. You can even find ways to personalise your Raga but no matter how much money you spend on a non Raga it will never be a RAGA.

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[BenBeta23]

steveo, on Jun 6 2009, 08:31 AM, said:

When a bike is the best, who cares what it costs. You can even find ways to personalise your Raga but no matter how much money you spend on a non Raga it will never be a RAGA.

Very nice bike you have there mate, have you got a carbon silencer fitted to it.

Edited by GasGasben, 06 June 2009 - 07:51 AM.

[jordi]

As its an 08 Raga it will have one as standard.

[jordi]

Forgetting what it cost for a moment, and who knows what the new bikes will cost in around November time, It looks much better in the flesh!

[BenBeta23]

jordi, on Jun 6 2009, 06:37 PM, said:

Forgetting what it cost for a moment, and who knows what the new bikes will cost in around November time, It looks much better in the flesh!



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Wow, what do you think of it.

[beatabeta]

GasGasben, on Jun 5 2009, 11:19 AM, said:

They Need to make money some how!!, try to get hold of some of the parts used on the New raga rep, have you actually seen the spec difference between a standard & a Raga

Yea seen the spec and it's good, looks awesome too and have no problems with GG wanting to make money - they are in business after all.
My point is that I cant see where GG or GGUK have come up with that price - apart from the fact that GGUK will no doubt use the 'exchange rates' excuse.

Whats the betting that when the exhange rates get back in line that the prices dont drop too quickly.....
PLUS when the rates do get better paying £5300 or whatever they are will seem even worse - A 2010 Gasser should cost no more than £3800-£4000 when rates start levelling again in late 2009 (just when 2010 bikes come out)

Anyway, just my opinon that they cost too much - £500 less and I'd be getting one but if you got and you want it - get it and enjoy it!