michael_t

This appears to be a great neutral forum based out of the UK with no prejudice so shouldn't be a problem to post some facts and get things straightened out once and for all. Given that anyone who signs up for the CMA pays their $80 and identifies themselves by discipline. Do you have access to the numbers for the past few years by Province? Going back and forth may be tiresome for some but if we could get some of this stuff figured out I think it would be a huge boost to Canadian Trials. I personally see a need for both organizations... more riders, more events, easier entry into the sport, more investment, more opportunities to advance, and most importantly more good times (if we can work together). That is what is in it for me. BTW I have requested a name change and it is being taken under consideration. - possibly one positive change coming from these discussions .

Awesome ! I always have the best intentions but once things get started I typically forget all about the camera

I agree with Steve this is not a simple matter. There is a lot of history that is really hard to sort out. I do base a lot of my information from what I have read on the internet over the years and much of it has been removed due to "technical issues" I believe they truly were technical issues but who knows. Even when the information was there a lot of it contradicted it self just like a lot of the more recent stuff does. Steve from your posts above is it true that you were part of the original group that started the WTC in 2009 (with the thought of taking the FIM status away from the CMA). Then in 2013, with the realization that the FIM would most likely not move you moved back to the CMA. It seems like a logical sequence of events and am getting that from reading between the lines of above but hate to make assumptions. Again just from purely using the internet it would seem that Total number of entries in CMA trials was 114 across BC, Saskatchewan and Ontario . Total number of entries in non-CMA trials was 588 across the country. Of those non-CMA trials, there were 207 entries in WTC-sanctioned trials.

From what I can gather (from the internet) it would be best to ask Steve F. that question as it would seem he was part of the group that originally decided to setup the WTC... I agree they might have thought it through a bit better but it was before my time. It sure would be great if somebody had the minutes from some of those meetings so we could see what that group was thinking at the time... A name change couldn't hurt...

Hey Derek, Sounds like a great event. It is always great to hear people are making the effort to travel to away events. I would really like to have been able to make it out. Be sure to gets lots of pictures and video if possible, it is always great to see sections from other areas of the country.

Not sure how down playing anybody who puts on a non CMA event in Canada is in some way making a positive change for the sport? I agree with Dan just let it go already. World Trials Canada is a great Canadian trials group that openly accepts all trials riders and puts on events from coast to coast. Without them there would be a lot less events in this country. Supporting organizers who put on events all across Canada would be a true positive change for the CMA. We are actually having an event tomorrow in the Province of New Brunswick which is starting to see a great group of new riders getting into the sport. Hopefully we will see some of them competing in the WTC championship East in the near future as the sport continues to grow here the East.

I really enjoy my Sherco X-Ride for the type of trail riding you are talking about... but you may also want to try a proper trials bike (if you haven't already) keep your KTM for trail riding and use your trials bike when you want to slow down a bit and have more fun just bouncing around and over boulders with ease... just watch any Toni Bou videos and you will see how easy a real trials bike makes things - .

I used to run into the same thing... now before I start it, I put it in 3rd gear pull in the clutch and see if it is stuck if it is I just rock it back and forth a little until the clutch frees up... cuts down on that little surprise take off after the bike has been sitting for a bit.

I have never had that problem... here is a short clip of me riding my txt200 being followed by a friend who had borrowed my EC200 (between sections) pretty sure my adrenaline was higher than his - LOL https://youtu.be/AbZr2TLglTY

I usually don't over tighten the straps but if you are worried about it you could probably rig up something to stop it from bouncing and a bit easier on the seals. They are commercially available for dirt bikes but easy enough to make your own...

too bad really we pay about $150 not sure how much it is to add theft.

oops it appears they do not cover Ontario... OASIS Outdoor Adventure & Sport Insurance Solutions Inc. is the author and manager for the Got Toys insurance program for quads, snowmobiles and trail bikes, now operating in BC, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Quebec, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. We are in the process of obtaining regulatory authority in Alberta, PEI and possibly Newfoundland.

Oasis partners with OFTR in Ontario... wouldn't hurt to ask for a quote.

Same deal here in NS we need to have liability insurance to drive off of our own private land. When they made the change to legislation there were actually no companies that would give a kid motorcycle insurance (liability) so I worked with Oasis, Loyds of London, and the NS government to have Oasis bring an insurance product into our market to meet the legislation - it took 3 years. Theft insurance was a nice benefit of this because before that you would have to insure your kids dirt bike as a road motorcycle to insure it for theft. You could have a $5k mountain bike covered for theft under your home policy but a CRF50 was a "vehicle" so could not be covered for theft. Steve - just to be clear Oasis does not provide free insurance for anybody... just a good company to work with. When I call them to add another landowner to the existing policy (for hosting events) I can typically get a certificate in a day. There is no additional charge for adding new venues anywhere in Canada and most landowners I work with enjoy knowing they are covered. There are some that don't care but as an organizer I do like knowing I am personally covered.

It really depends on your situation personally if my house burns down and I lose my bike it will be the last thing I am thinking about. Given there are only a handful of trials bikes in Nova Scotia I don't see a big threat of theft... although you never know. Liability is worth having if you ride off of your own property. I have found that Oasis is great and they insure all the WTC events ($5M event liability) so supporting a company that supports trials in Canada is a good thing in my books... they can provide all perils if your situation is such that it would make you feel better insured for those sorts of things. Basically comes down to personal choice and how you feel about insurance in general.

It may look effortless in videos but if you look closely you will see the rear mudguard is typically touching the rear wheel before take off the only way that happens is if you put a fair amount of effort into the pegs. Just like jumping from a stand still without a bike you need to squat down pretty hard if you want to get a lot of lift up... if that makes sense. As mentioned above it is also a matter of hitting the obstacle with the front wheel as this helps in compressing the bike before lift off so it is more than just the power in your legs.

There are a lots of threads on here about which bike is best. If you look in general trials this one seems along the lines of what you are looking for... http://www.trialscentral.com/forums/topic/57920-what-would-you-buy/page-1 Of course it is best to try a bike... well worth travelling to an event to watch a few bikes in action and ask people in person... I am always happy to loan my bike to people who want to give it a try... to bad you don't live near Nova Scotia. This weekend we are putting on an event and Honda, Beta, and Sherco will all have 2016 demo bikes there for people to try... I tell the local dealers they won't sell bikes by letting them just sit on the show room floor - ride on Sunday sell on Monday... I bet you will find any new bike is going to be totally different than what your old bike was and as mentioned the weight on the scale is not as important as how heavy it "feels" when you are riding it - don't discount the Sherco they are awesome (and yes they do sponsor me so) don't take my word for it give one a try... It also seems the US national team are all over them .

I had a good practice tonight with all of this in mind... I typically ride along slowly and use the clutch when slowing down to a crawl and as my way of not stalling when braking. Tonight I used the throttle and a bit of back brake. I quickly realized I should have been doing more of this all along. So often I will use the brake just to stop not to slow down (if that makes any sense) The idea of using it to produce a little drag while giving a little more throttle while still going slow is something I can see as being very useful. It also make a lot of sense when doing wheelies they always say cover the rear brake and I always would just slam it on (with the clutch) if I was about to loose it and bring the front end down quickly... just covering it and using it ever so lightly makes so much more sense I guess I always realized that but never got the hang of it.... I can see many more hours of practice to master all of this but all good fun when you have one of these light bulb moments

This is a very interesting topic. I found a big difference moving from my older GG200 to my new Sherco 250 as far as when creeping along with no throttle. The Sherco sort of "chugs" with little surges when going really slow which is not very smooth but it keeps going where the older 200 would have stalled. I would think if you are typically always running at 1/2 throttle you wouldn't be riding super slow but more like quick bursts of clutch then stopping then going again. On the other end of the scale... on a training day it was demonstrated what opening up full throttle is actually like - scary as hell! You kind of get used to 1/2 throttle being about all you ever need so kind of forget what is possible when you go past that 1/2 throttle point. In my case nothing ever good comes of opening the throttle past 1/2 way but it can be fun trying (when in a controlled practice area with a soft landing area) - LOL!

Due to unforeseen circumstances the June 11th event has been moved to June 26th Sorry for any inconvenience

I just got a pair of Up and Over pants. designed for trials riders that are not built for Lycra.... Also have built in knee protection which is a bonus. http://www.upandovertrials.com/pants/ This is from their website... We've designed our TNT Pants to have a classic, clean look and optimal functionality. Lightweight, stretch fabric used throughout offers a full range of motion and comfort. Cordura reinforced knee panels for durability. Large crotch stretch panel offers both flexibility, as well as the ability to exhaust heat. Removable, CE rated pads at the knees. Zippered front pocket gives you room for your car keys, money, etc. Close, but not skin-tight fitment gives a flattering profile for most body types. "TNT" stands for "trials 'n trail". If you're a trail rider, you may think trials outerwear is pretty much the same as motocross gear, but it's not. The same properties that make these pants great for trials also make them perfect for the trail, especially if you like to hammer technical singletrack. The combination of light weight, breathability, and flexible comfort will keep you in the saddle long after your buddies have faded!

Yep... funny thing the less I ride my bike the bigger the problem becomes... As a side note when I bought my first trials bike, I had a bet with my wife that if I didn't loose 15lbs in 2 months I promised I would sell it (I won the bet). Trials truly is great exercise but like any exercise it is only really effective if you do it regularly. Once a week or so just doesn't cut it. That is why it is so nice to be able to ride 30 minutes or so around the yard really no excuse not to get out there every day... I just need to get back at it. Might need to make a new bet.

After seeing the video Sherco Canada has offered to send me a new shirt ... they politely suggested that French sizing runs smaller than it does in NA - Really can't beat that type of support .

Just thought I would post a little update. I am still really enjoying the 250. I moved up a class and ended up middle of the pack at our first event of the year so am very pleased! I shared my bike with a coupe of people at the last event and I hear one of them went and bought a 2016 ST250 first thing Monday A few pictures from the event can be found here: https://dualsport.smugmug.com/2016-Ride-Reports/2016-NovsScotiaTrialsAssociati/NovsScotiaTrialsAssociation-Ev/ And a short video of me playing around in the back yard... I'm afraid the Up and Over trial's pants make me look heavier than I am https://youtu.be/S0lfYQoiDwM

Should probably start a new thread as this is way off topic as far as how much power a vertigo has - Maybe start a thread under Canadian Trials about your first year experience...