Got to the top and leaned forwards at just the wrong moment, bailed off to the right and went swimming with the bike on top of me - in front of Dabster and Wiggy too
Someone else went swimming at that spot you weren't alone Kinell. Said 'other' person didn't even have a bike
Quite a lot on the engine side if I remember correctly. The Mike Estall bible has all the detail, but don't have it to hand at the moment.
Bearings are the biggest thing that I can think of, the later points engines were really beefed up on the bearing side as the bronze bushes in the early motors were prone to failure, later models are roller bearing. Then its worth getting a needle bearing conversion on the crank, and that's not possible with an early con rod.
The advice that I was given and that I took was 'If your thinking of spending any money on building a trials cub engine, then find the latest set of cases and cranks that you can'.
I have scanned in a number of useful Trials Cub mods articles that explain most of this without going through the Estall book, PM your email and I'll send them on
There's a pic of Duncan Macdonald's Ariel in Classic Dirt Bike Issue 10, Page 32, it looks very tidy, as you'd expect. Not sure how period the forks are as they look very similar to those on Woody's Majesty that is in the same shot - and those aren't standard either .
Knowing Duncan the finish will be 'factory' but very definitely not standard. Haven't seen any close ups of Duncan bike anywhere, but it would be worth a look at when considering what to do.
This issue of Classic DB is a bit of an Ariel fest, as they test Gaunties 'slightly modded' version over a couple of pages.
There's practice with HUX (Hillingdon and Uxbridge) down the M40 at Denham on 2nd & 4th Sundays. Berkhampstead MCC (Berko) have their own practise area that is open more frequently, down M40 round M25 a couple of junctions (or cross country if you prefer)
Clubs? Take your pic: Wycombe, Farnham Royal, HUX, K&K, Berko all run trials quite close by. Head up the M40 will take you to Oxford Ixion or North Berks.
Land is an issue, as mentioned, but as all the events are new to you, then you can make up your own mind where you like riding. Its easy enough to ride most weekends without travelling too far.
Watch for Trials at Hook Woods and the Midland Centre events as well.
Not many road trials in the South Midland Centre, but from where your looking to be based you can dive down into the Southern, or up into the Midland Centres. Midland have a number of road trials within 90 mins of Wycombe/Wallingford.
I'd start with the parts book and get into the detail and compare the part nos, on the exhaust, brake, rad, hoses etc. Its the only way that you could tell for certain what has changed. Looks like the seat/air box is still the same unit.
Have you any ideas on cost of the frame itself?
Strip down process is very easy, I think I pulled my old 250 to bits on one cup of tea. You'd want to take a bit more time getting it back together, when you're sticking the motor back in there's a good chance of chipping some of that nice red paint.
Took my boy to the Golden Arches tonight for an Unhappy Meal, he had his kids cheeseburger and I decided on that delight that is the Big Mac.
Now I might sound stupid but the burgers are now the same size, back in the day of getting a Big Mac in Slough High St, on the way to/from Windsor Comp Shop / Sid Morams the Big Mac was Big.
What has happend to: Two all Beef Patees, Special Sauce, Lettuce, Cheese, Pickle and Onion all in a Sesame Seed Bun in the last 20 years?
I'm sure there was also a Honda special based on the TL 125, possibly the Fraser, that had petrol in the top tube.
Agree, Fraser made a frame kit for the TL125 in the late 70's with petrol in the top tube, and a box section swinging arm finished in a nickel chrome. As an unfortunate owner I seem to remember that after gallons of fuel in the tank that there was always crap in the tap filter, never sure whether it was the corrosion of the steel tube or remnants of the chroming.
Do they still hold events at Stokenchurch woods? I also seem to remember the Haslams had some reasonable areas on their land. I used to ride with Farnham Royal club longer ago than I care to remember! As I recall quite a few of the OTC events used to involve quite a bit of road work, do these still happen? Must be 25 years since I rode a trial in the UK
Wycombe still run up at Stokenchurch, and their Centre Expert round is the only road trial left in the centre (even then a good few allegedly use vans to get between the groups). Bit of a chicken and egg situation, no road trials so no registered bikes, no registered bikes so no road trials.
Much of the problem is the land, and the complete lack of it. HUX used to run the trial that included the Haslams' Wood. Start at Dews, out on the road to Pig and Whistle, (on A40 otherside of Gerrards Cross), up to Chalfont for Haslams and then hammer back in the dark, finish just in time for the pub to open. WMA, K&K, Barnet, Leavesden, Farnham Royal, Wycombe, NV, Stortford, the Cambridges, etc all ran good road events, in fact it was very rare to ride 4 laps of a tip.
I think the problem now will be that the Police will be so unfarmilar with the legality of a modern trials machine that you probably just about get out of the car park without being booked. Those areas who have kept the trials on the road have clearly educated their local force.
If a few of the Bucks / Herts clubs got together to run a 'South Midlands Expert' Trial after the Expert champs finished, maybe a road trial could be viable. I can think of 4 currently used groups that are within 10 miles of each other, that have scope to be a real toughie for the experts and scope to be eased to get a few clubmen out on the road.
But as I said it's chicken and egg, who would ride it with perhaps only a dozen registered bikes appearing regularly at events, and who would run it with the clubs being so precious about dates.
Try to find an old Fantic Akront Tubeless rim, you can't get them new any more but can be found via breakers. A genuine rim band will be difficult to find but the GG type rim band with the vulcanised valve works a treat
I use the Stilmotor on the back (the fronts from a 315 which is a bit narrower), I think that Steve Goode does them. Plenty of mudguard to play with, it could have been cut a bit shorter but it saves you getting a wet backside!
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Someone else went swimming at that spot you weren't alone Kinell. Said 'other' person didn't even have a bike