nigel dabster

Most of the Italian rounds arent just steps, poland and portugal are good. France is hit and miss depending on venue, Isola 2000 i liked. Andorra was one of my favourite events whist it does have steps it also has had streams which could easily be in yorkshire. Spanish rounds can be fantastic but sometimes it majors on steps. Northern Ireland was one of my favourites, and I'll never forget Unadilla watching Cabestany blowing up the 4 banger sherco. My all time best? Spa in Belgium for various reasons, closely followed by poland, and Darfo Borario terme.

youve just avoided admitting you are wrong again, by using loads of different aspects gb when we are taliking GP etc etc. Your argument/viewpoint is an incoherent shambles and not worth the effort. My main disagereement is your castigation of decent lads riding trials at wtc level, whatever class. Ive come across hundreds of wtc riders, some arrogant some awkward some cheating riders, but never one from the UK or anywhere who thought the sport owes them a living and you just wont name the riders you say that applies to, I can only assume cos you know your statement was false and wont back track and admit your mistake?

As i showed above, bu not going to wtc doesnt make you an expert in wtc. I doubt there is anything to be gained by splitting trials anymore, some would say Xtrial is extreme anyway?

So its ok to slag off WTC but youve never actually been, thats a bit daft.

My reference above was for UK riders in TRial GP, not gb, and as 2021 is only 2 weeks away anyone who is sponsored will have that in place, but come back and prove me wrong when youre ready. So lets take Cabestany, has he left trial GP when he dropped a few places? Fuji? Graterolla has dropped a class not a few places. Are these still riding? Jack Price hasnt dropped a few places, but he's left, how does that fit your view? Explain how an elite sportsman in any sport, sponsored or not could compete and keep a 9-5 job?

give us a list (excluding 2020) of the WTC events you've visited in the last few years?

In the past those named above have earned money from trials. I would also say in recent years with the michaud no-stop rules the sections were eased and prolonged the careers of the top riders like never before. In 2021 in the uk I dont think any riders are earning from the sport. Simple enough to understand now? I've answered your question, so for the zillionth time of asking who do you say are these riders and I quote " these elite/top riders feel- the sport owes them a living" ???

Pretty sure Bou Fuji Raga and Dougie have made a good living from trials, mainly outdoor. Cabes and fajardo have made a bit due to longevity i guess. I cant recall the figures but did get the idea that indoors cant be the golden goose, if you do the maths for sheffield the win cant bemore than 4 figures surely?

Adam Raga came to the uk to spend some time in mud, practised in the midlands at Ali Haighs farm I think.......

Im about done here, as you refuse to name those riders YOU pointed the finger at........... As a poi all riders (in the uk) who are sponsored at some level are very unlikely to get "paid" in fact im struggling to think who would be in 2021 and isnt using that pay to fund the travel and simple expenses of competing in the WTC, at any level? Clearly you are wrong about leaving due to lack of sponsorship as Jack Price had a year to run, and Im sure dibs couldve got some deal if he wanted to do it again.

Is any of this for sale @motosinge

I repeat, cos i dont think its true, which riders " feel- the sport owes them a living" ?

And please YOU TELL US which riders think it owes them a living?

hasnt really happened for a while though......struggling to think who and when?

I asked which, dont be shy name names? My perspective is you dont know anything about trials at the elite level, even less the efforts, commitment and costs involved for young riders and their families. There is a big long list I could give of french Italian spanish, and British lads who have tried and (I imagine) like Jack Price question the long term requirements versus possible returns when they get near the elite class. I cant think of any of the hundreds ive watched ever going into the sport thinking I could get paid for this, perhaps you know different? When did any elite rider ask for a "hard Circus"? How have these top riders priced themselves out of " a job"?

30% better, so youre losing 30% less marks?

You mean theres no unicorns sunny uplands and a brexit bonus?

Gratterola in trial GP? He didnt make it when he was younger now hes over 30 hows that gonna work. cant see beta having him as a top class rider now.

Which riders think that?

usually in the new year, but last years were 9 months late. The ragas the gp predecessor, was usually may, ish? as above covid could change this im sure.

The change in rules from stop allowed to "no stop" meant riders like cabestany got a few more years. Certainly helped fuji carry on too.

there is one or two, none legal during "lockdown" I guess

There is always another car or van out there, if you can be patient. If any of the above cause worry, walk away. If you dont think anythings not genuine ditto.

there are but not that close to london. Wait a month and everything could change?

I would bite the bullet and invest in a 250 cylinder head and piston. easy swap and you can then sell on or keep next time, so much of the initial cost would be recovered one way or another. By the time you sell or swapin the 300 etc its going to cost you more anyway.