It seem's the TY80 is starting to struggle in the beginner's section's.

Why do you say that?

Are the sections getting harder?

Why do you say that?

Are the sections getting harder?

No i don't ride one.It was just an observation when i was walking around a trial the other weekend,the TY's did'nt look like they was dealing with some of the section's to good.They have a smaller wheel base than the modern smaller engined bike's,that's where they was having problem's.Just wondered what other people's view was.

i take it you hav'nt seen any evidence of them struggling then.

My nephew started the year on a ty80 and was struggling like mad.

The sections were too hard for it, He switched to a gasser and has finished second in class now

WHAT? You mean a brand new Gas Gas is better than a 30 year old Yamaha? B*****ks!

Ebays been full of em for ages no doubt others are thinking the same.

I'm not saying that, i still think they're the best bike to learn on

It's just the sections are set out for the newer bikes so the TY's don't stand much chance

T`is a fair comment but surely the modern club will set out there routes for the modern bike?

New question should there be a differnt size wheel route for the younger riders?

We never see a TY80 despite having four routes at some of our trials, so I can't really say if they are finding it too hard nowadays.

I suppose it is inevitable that the modern small wheel bikes are going to be better, but does that mean there is no place for a TY?

are there modern small wheel bikes? thats what I was getting at the new 80`s are big wheeled compared too the Ty

I'm not saying that, i still think they're the best bike to learn on

It's just the sections are set out for the newer bikes so the TY's don't stand much chance

Proc, that avatar seems to capture the steepness of that step. Camera's usually flatten stuff out!

Have you got a bigger piccy?

:agree: Yer I would also like to see that (a bigger piccy) That looked cool!

Hope this works, unfortunatly it aint me, i can only dream of doing stuff that big

It's paul bolton at this years ssdt at the first coire mhoiair section

The only small wheel modern bikes i know of are the rev an rip beta/gas gas 50's

But they don't semm to struggle as much imo

Edited December 10, 200619 yr by proc

Cheers Proc, slightly bigger and definitely a steep one!

Firstly i know very little about TY80's not having kids

If i did have any kids interested in trials though i would have thought it would be better for them to get used to riding a "big wheel" bike right from the start then it's just a case of learning to cope with more power from a bigger engine as they grow up?

Just my humble etc but i feel that the tyres are one of the most important factors in trials nowadays. I was only having thi sconversation last night with somebody when i said i would sooner have a pair of Betor shocks and two new rear tyres than a pair of Falcons or Rock Shocks but no new rear tyre

So what rear tyres do the TY80's use? Might this be one of the factors why we are seeing less of them about? I hadent thought about it till seeing this post but you dont see many now do you?

Then again the sort of trials i ride i dont think many kids would want to ride with a bunch of boring old farts like us so that may also be why