caulkboy Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 As a new participant in vintage trials events, I have really caught a bug. I truly look forward to upcoming events as a kid would look forward to Christmas. As my thirst for riding trials grows, I look for more events (within a reasonable driving distance). I have been interested in making it out to some AHRMA events but was alarmed to hear that AMA and AHRMA may be at odds. Has anyone else heard this or are the conspiricists pulling my leg? If AMA was to split, would AHRMA lose it's insurance (which is why I pay my AMA membership)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooshdave Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 (edited) As a new participant in vintage trials events, I have really caught a bug. I truly look forward to upcoming events as a kid would look forward to Christmas. As my thirst for riding trials grows, I look for more events (within a reasonable driving distance). I have been interested in making it out to some AHRMA events but was alarmed to hear that AMA and AHRMA may be at odds. Has anyone else heard this or are the conspiricists pulling my leg? If AMA was to split, would AHRMA lose it's insurance (which is why I pay my AMA membership)? When AMA and AHRMA split, AHRMA already has alternative insurance lined up. AMA isn't the only way to get that kind of coverage. You don't actually need AMA membership unless you compete at the National AHRMA events (this applies to Dirt only). So it will actually be cheaper to compete with AHRMA in the future (after April 30th) than it was before. <this post should probably be moved to USA trials or something> Edited April 7, 2009 by swooshdave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulkboy Posted April 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 I see. Thanks for the heads up Dave. I'll repost on USA trials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slalom_specialist Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 (edited) When AMA and AHRMA split, AHRMA already has alternative insurance lined up. AMA isn't the only way to get that kind of coverage.You don't actually need AMA membership unless you compete at the National AHRMA events (this applies to Dirt only). So it will actually be cheaper to compete with AHRMA in the future (after April 30th) than it was before. <this post should probably be moved to USA trials or something> Dave, I am always amazed at the naivety of some people who love to follow AHRMA's tyrannical leadership in pulling the company line. First off, there is no question that there are lots of insurance companies that would be glad to underwrite AHRMA's insurance needs, some of whom I represent on a daily basis. That said, I can assure you that it will be at a higher premium than that charged through the AMA, if for no other reason than the difference in volume between the AMA and AHRMA. Additionally, most underwriters would also take into consideration AHRMA's recent past (Bankruptcy) and it's issues with the AMA, which would also have an effect on AHRMA's premium, which could end up being considerably higher than a policy offered through the AMA. All of which are costs that will cause AHRMA to raise entry fee's, membership fee's and/or both. Lets face it, any increase in costs has has no place to be passed on except directly to the membership. Don't get me wrong, I have been a member of AHRMA over 16 years, and while I have met a lot of great people and made life long friendships through AHRMA, based on the the current leadership that has been in control of AHRMA the last few years, only a fool would believe the costs to the individual rider will go down by AHRMA losing it's AMA Charter. (and for the record, I have been an AMA member 38 years) The thing you have to ask yourself is,... given all the issues that surround AHRMA, can AHRMA really continue to operate without an AMA Charter or it's Sanctioning? I seriously doubt it. By the way, I don't think you have to wait till April 30 to find out......... (see AMA Vintage Replaces AHRMA At Mid-Ohio Vintage Days at super bike planet http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Apr/090409a.htm and for those who might think soup is to tongue and cheek, the same press release is on the AMA web site, http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/story.asp?id=781 ) Edited April 7, 2009 by slalom_specialist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffsgasgas Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Politics thats all this is. If the insurance is present and they promote riding I will support them regarless. Some organizations do it differently than others and some people get into the politics of the sport. "AHRMA's tyrannical leadership" ??? Me the bike and the woods is what i see. Niave or not thats what I am many others are there for. Chalkboy if your into riding as much as i am then i say go for it as long as you feel comfortable with the insurance end of things. AHRMA has its fans and its enemy's but if you want to be with bike people its a good thing. Have fun and enjoy the sport. --Biff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29r Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Just got off the phone with an .....individual that told me that Mid-O was not a AHRMA points paying event for AHRMA . Furthermore , if that , that individual participated , that person would be castaway from his position . We both agreed that preserving this venue (should things be worked out ) was a priority . Trials Inc. was mentioned as a willing sponsor for the trials event this years event ( can you say ITSA ? ) That , I know will be a good thing . We will see ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_nc Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 This news is on several sites. I think AHRMA has probably had it. Between the legal issues taking most of their money and the internal politics forcing bad decisions their days seem to be numbered. As to Mid-O: Having ridden the course a couple of times, it's a great area for a Trial. If ITSA comes in and sets up a class event we would all benefit. I like their rules better anyway. I know Bob stops by here from time to time.... come on.... step in and give us a good event. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgshannon Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 This news is on several sites.I think AHRMA has probably had it. Between the legal issues taking most of their money and the internal politics forcing bad decisions their days seem to be numbered. As to Mid-O: Having ridden the course a couple of times, it's a great area for a Trial. If ITSA comes in and sets up a class event we would all benefit. I like their rules better anyway. I know Bob stops by here from time to time.... come on.... step in and give us a good event. Alan The last time I rode Mid-Ohio, Bob & crew setup all the sections, under AHRMA. Several years back, but we were all complaining about AHRMA's lack of interest in trials. We were like the red-headed step child, or a second thought, in every case coming after all the other groups. If ITSA steps in, for the trials, that would be great. Same venue, same trialsmaster, no AHRMA dead weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2shocks Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 ITSA has talked to the AMA and offered to put on the trials at Vintage Days. The AMA has not given an answer either way as yet. Bob Ginder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axulsuv Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Now for That I would try and make the trip ... ! Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fracy Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Bob and Glenn: not trying to hijack this thread at all, but get you two to go to www.trialscanada.com and see the front page story of Rnd.1 of the Outlaw series up here...Our twinshock series up here in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axulsuv Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 From the looks of the sections , you seem to have a little trials paradise up there ! But IMHO you and Bob need to get together and ride someday , as I beleive your both a hell of alot better than I ever thought of being ! And in Img 0820 are you just taking a rest ? leaning on the tree and all !!! Great shots ,Does the can-am work as good as they look ? Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slalom_specialist Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 (edited) Well guys, it looks like once again AHRMA has chosen to lie to it's membership about issues that effect the very core of AHRMA and Vintage Racing.............I know some of you have bought into the AHRMA spin on the controversy between AHRMA and the AMA and may have even read the press release posted on the AHRMA web site on April 15............... Well guess what guys ..... AHRMA lied AGAIN........ which really is no surprise given the actions of their leadership over the last few years...... Here is a link to the April 16th press release/interview with AMA President and CEO Rob Dingman who speaks out about the dispute that has arisen with the American Historic Racing Motorcycle Association (AHRMA). http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/story.asp?id=793 The other interesting item is AHRMA's response, also dated 4/16, that they chose to call an "Update and Clarification"......and comes across like a 10 year old who has just been caught lying and try's to avoid punishment with a vague attempt to cover up the lie. (Ya,... That's the ticket) ....................... Based on the actions of the AHRMA leadership all along in handling the whole Iannucci/TO matter, I wouldn't be to hopeful AHRMA will be able to resolve anything in the next two weeks................... the only thing I am sure of is......... If AHRMA does not reach an agreement with Iannucci and/or the AMA, they will spin it as being all Iannucci, and/or the AMA's fault or anyone else's fault but their own................. when the truth is, they were equally wrong all along and it has cost the membership dearly............................... Yes it is just politics............. but the politics of any sport effect all of the participants in that sport.............. no matter how deep you want to bury your head in the sand.. Edited April 17, 2009 by slalom_specialist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copemech Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Whomever started all this, I wouuld not pee upon if their guts were on fire! As an old rider coming back into trials, I had enough problems with the Ahrma rules that I encountered upon inquirey, shunned it, too much trouble. ITSA seems to have a better attitude, yet there are still limits that I do not personally agree with. You see, the primary objective has been overlooked! This objective should be solely to get folks out to ride the events, take their relics out of the barn and go out to bave a bit of fun and compete. Bring wot you got! We want and need a turnout! I want you to come and participate! I want YOU to have some fun and competition! I want you to pick a class and ride! Hopefully we can get enough entry to cover the costs and even maybe mke a buck for the sponsor! Early mono's, disc brakes , specials! think of all who are put off, as many as are put on! Hell, we run 6 or 8 classes in our state series, maybe more now, don't even tell me it cannot be done in a national meet! OK, I will shut up and let all those other old grumps p*** and moan, history is history, adjustments need to be made, get over it! I would rather more support and develop it rather than letting things collapse due to stupidity and self indulgence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axulsuv Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) In My Limited exp. with The ITSA , I don't beleive ANY Trials Bike would EVER be turned away from a event ... You can always pick a rider level class and just ride exhibition ! I think the only thing you do not receive that way is a trophy ? We all just want to have FUN !!! All the modern folks have to remember are our simple basic real trials rules . (no-stop ) And besides , my bike isn't even Ahrma eligible , so I ride ITSA ,STRA , MTR and anything else I can find ! The stra and mtr events are modern events with twinshock classes , And of course ITSA events main focus is the great bikes from the 70's and early 80's . Glenn Twinshocks RULE !!! Edited April 18, 2009 by axulsuv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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