Andy Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 The talk on Trials Central this past week has been about Paul Bolton who is down to ride an enduro bike in the Scott Trial in a couple of weeks time (October 24 to be exact). There Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmspear Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 What a lot of crap, should us trial riders only be allowed to ride our trial bikes in a competition, no practising allowed, of course not, well one rule for trial riders and another for enduro riders, these comments really p*** me off. Providing its legal, of course enduro riders should be allowed to ride where it is legal to do so, as should road riders and trial riders. Should we also round up hoodies and ethnic minority members because we don't like them, even if they are going about their own business lawfully. This is the worst kind of fascist clap trap. I ride an enduro bike green laning, legally, I pay my road tax and insurance, I also ride a trials bike legally, also road registered and insured. So when I am out on my enduro I am socially undesirable, yet when i am on my trials bike I am OK??? I don't race my enduro because I don't want to race it, I am not a speed merchant, I am almost 50 and have no interest in racing, yet b y this type of crap I am to be consigned to only taking part in races, when I want to potter around on my enduro. And I go out on my enduro on my own, am always polite to other green lane users, stop if walkers are on the green lane or horse riders and am appreciated for my actions by all but a very very small minority. I have had many compliments on my bike (a KTM 530 EXC-R) from walkers, policeman and gamekeepers, you don't get that if you are riding like a yob as you don't stop to talk to them! It is tough enough to find legal green lanes as it is without this crap. What we need is some enforcement against the minority of antisocial yobs, who have just shot my local free trials practice venue - killkenny quarry - because of antisocial behaviour on pit bikes etc, not a blanket ban on certain bike types. Rant over, but when one of our own rounds on us then things are really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyl Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 jmspear -I appreciate your frustration and also Mike's points must annoy the legitimate, but I think there has been a bit of a switch from fast road bikes to enduro/trail bikes (at least down his way) and some of these guys have no appreciation for the sport element. They can be very selfish in their attitude. We have been very close to loosing a very important piece of land as the farmer is fed up with trail riders thinking they have an absolute right to ride whenever they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_scorpa3 Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 "This brings me to a conclusion. When trail riding in the UK came to a virtual halt a couple of years ago due to the change in the law, whilst it may well have prevented bikes being used on trails, it certainly hasn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totalshell Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 i;ll mail what makes me cringe when i see a number of enduro / trail bikes out in the lakes or dales. firstly the noise. four strokes are too loud period. secondly the riders are often/ more often than not dress in garish coloured clothing full face helmets and goggles and look like they have stepped out of a war game. as for the riding behaviour.. these bikes are race bikes there sole remit is to cover rough ground at race speeds and because they can there riders do.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmspear Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Petescorpa-3 - well said, a dirty smelly 2stroke (or 4stroke) trial bike looks no worse than a dirty 4 stroke enduro. The issue is the actions of louts, whether they are in cars, bikes of any descriptions, off roaders, etc, etc not a particular type of bike. Totalshell, good to see you have been taking the tolerance pills: To refute your points: 1) Fourstrokes are not too loud period, they are actually queiter than a 2 stroke, if running to manufacturers specs 2) Even seen James Dabill in his Jitsie kit, he must be an antisocial lout, look how garish his clothing is, I suggest we get him thrown out of trials for setting such a bad example 3) Enduro is actually defined as: "the term enduro refers specifically to time keeping events" you seem to be confusing with Motorcross and Motorcross bikes are not road legal as opposed to Enduro which usually are. The issue is antisocial behaviour, soon ALL off road bikes will be banned, which will be a disaster and won't stop the enduro boys as their bikes are "road" bikes whereas our trails bikes are pretty much off road only. It would be better to not ban a type of bike but make offroaders join an organisation such as TRF or at least do an off road version of the CBT, this might then instill some responsibility into the riders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totalshell Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 i live out in the boonies and my experience of 4st enduro bikes is that they are loud.. very .. we can hear them long before they hove into view, normally in a group of 3 - 4 middle aged guys togged up as if on thier way to a paintballing session. now the majority of these guys seem taxed and tested etc but it just makes me cringe as the message that is been recieved by mr and mrs smith out walking the dog or with the grand kids. mr dabils penchant for the farish is restrcited to participate ing on events i dont see ANY trials riders on trials bikes on the trails round here but if you've seen em.. and the arguement that an enduro is not strictly speaking a race when a speed has to be maintained or bettered is weak especially to mr and mrs smith and thier dog the authorities should be very strict in thier management of 'green lanes' speed traps should be set up, bikes should be checked for legality and illegal riding should be strictly enforced but hey its much easier to ban the lot so thats what gordon will do.. also what money that you'll have to pay to sorn a bike/ car and that 'free' rfl for classics will be soon abolished.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapshot 3 Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 With all due respect to Mr and Mrs Smith and their four legged friend......they are not all that thick and the vast majority DO understand the difference between the yobos and the sensible individuals, don't tar them all with the same brush. Agreed there are a large number of pukka enduro bikes around the road and towns these days because manufacturers make more from them than a cheaper trail bike. Last weekend we had a round of the Scottish Enduro Champs at Banchory, It's a cracking venue we also use for Scottish Championship Trials. However because it's in a fairly tight forest the route and the Special Test took us pretty close to the main road and one or two properties. Now, we had the odd gripe from the locals but all bar one or two were placated because they knew it was an officially organised event. What also helps is if you can rope them in to report the yobos who want to emulate what they saw to the police, get clubs to talk to local councillors and politcians, start your own local actions against the nutters but do it properly. It's largely down to us as responsible motorcyclists to educate the public about what responsible biking is about, why we go, where we go and the fact that we're not there to destroy the environment either the natural environment or theirs. You'll never convince the NIMBY's but we can convince a lot of people if we try. If we want all forms of offroad biking to survive then it's up to us to police the nonsense and make sure it survives because no bugger will help us out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perce Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 As for Paul Bolton, here's betting that he sets standard time providing he doesn't break the bike. All the very best of luck to him. I think there's more chance of Big John getting a round of drinks for everybody in the cricket club on Scott night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilc0 Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 (edited) The Enduro club in my area only allows Trials tyre's to be used at there event's,for the majority of rider's it would'nt notice if they was on Trials or Enduro tyres there riding is that bad,the good guy's learn to use them. Im not sure why you would want full blown Enduro tyres on if your only going to use it for messing around on greenlanes anyway,maybe make the Enduro tyre illegal for the road unless being used at a proper event. Edited October 12, 2009 by bilc0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copemech Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 (edited) As much as I hate to admit it, it seems to me that some of the enduro bikes in this day are nothin better than a MX in disguise! All they do is rip and snort and tear up terrain for the most part. Essentially useless as a true trail bike for most, unless one is on a simple bike like the Serow or something like the biger muffed bikes. The big bikes can be gentile, but I don't think that's the problem! Edited October 13, 2009 by copemech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john collins Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Although I am in Portugal for ISDE I just read Mikes column about Paul Bolton competing in Scott on an Enduro bike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big john Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I think there's more chance of Big John getting a round of drinks for everybody in the cricket club on Scott night. WHAT!!!!! Big John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillary Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I had forgotten all about Carl and Tim as our travelling companions in Finland, but John is absolutely right, and I can picture even now, Carl, with his arm in a sling, discussing the Scott whilst we watched a special test in a very rocky and rooted forest. Unfortunately, John has also forgotten to mention his adventures swimming in one of Finland's many lakes, or should I say skinny-dipping!. I declined to join him. That was certainly a good week with John (and Carl and Tim) as very enjoyable companions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapshot 3 Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 WHAT!!!!! Big John Just push yourself that extra step John......we've all seen the wallet open this year......just take the next step Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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