It would be interesting to see the age demographic of this site. Loosely speaking id say the younger trials rider is more into the competing side, and the older into restorations and casual riding (there are exceptions).
Oh I don't know... Don't underestimate the competitiveness of a 40 something male..
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A while ago you started a topic wanting first aid at trials and your still trying, So as someone that needed it = ambulance came could not get to me so mountain rescue too a air ambulance So at this present time all that would put a strain on the system so a good move stop any chance of it being needed ! ? As for your minimum standard tell us what is needed wheeled or air ambulance and mountain rescue all on stand by ?( because that was what was needed) Who picks that bill up for that service having them sitting at a trial all day on the off chance and is there enough of them to cover all trials over a weekend ? try to get that cost put on the entry fee ! Or do we keep the system as it is now that works we call them when they are needed Do you require first aid cover every time you get on your bike on the drive or out at practice so why at trials ?
All very reasonable but I'm very surprised that at least the clerk of the course doesn't have to be first aid trained. If I ran a club, I would ensure that we had first aid cover, and a portable defibrillator, but that's just me.... Because I'm unfit and accident prone.
I like this site but it is quiet, but if you search and dig around you can find out most thing's, I'm always looking for technical training advice and video's, thanks to the general attitude towards motorcycle off road gone are the days that you could just go to some.waste land and practice, I can only ride wobblers days and occasionally an event, so building skills is hard unless you spend your whole time driving around the country. During the lockdown I've spent a lot of time riding in the back garden trying to improve, but if I could just find a bit of land and practice I'd ride more, if I turn up at an event I just haven't had enough bike time to not feel like a dick in a section.
I agree, this site is quiet but there's loads of useful information on here. There's not a lot to talk about in terms of trials because nothing really changes and there's only so many arguments to be had about no-stop! ???
I've dipped in and out of trials for a few years but it was only this last year that I bought a decent bike and found a proper practice area that brought my riding on pretty quickly.
I found going to trials to be frustrating because if you couldn't do a section then you didn't get a chance to figure it out. I learned more in a few weeks of practice than I did in a fair number of trials. Mind you, getting some pointers from a better rider made a load of difference too.
Now, I'll enter trials quite regularly for the challenge but I actually prefer going practicing because you get more out of it and actually Improve.
The clamping force applied by a correctly torqued M10 bolt is enough to stop the top hat bush moving on the bolt.Id be thinking its more likely to be the bearing worn and the bush moving in that
I'm not sure that's the case with mine. Presumably if the bolt was so tight that it would eliminate play between the bolt and the spacer, then the rear end would be bound up?
On 5/7/2020 at 3:38 AM, motovita said:
Thanks, I suspected that might be the case. Any chance you ordered, or measured, the bolt diameter?
I did measure the bolt at the time but it wasn't really any different to the other bolts so the play may just be manufacturing tolerances.
Interestingly, when I ordered the spacers, BVM warned me that they would probably not make any difference and that they have brand new bikes that will have a little play in the linkage.
Has anyone had any success at removing some of the slop in the shock linkage? My 2020 has been loose from day one and I've just been ignoring it, but now that it has some time on it I checked it and found that the bulk of the play is at the bottom shock mount. I suspect the bearing is pretty precise in size and that the play may be coming from the bushings within the bearing. Has anyone replaced the bushings for this reason or perhaps made more precisely fitted bushings? On my old Gas Gas I learned to live with slop but even after years of use it was no looser than my new TRS, also the Gas Gas slop was cumulative with no single primary source of play. I rode a 4RT for years and it never developed the slop of the two Spanish bikes, go figure.
I have exactly the same problem. The slop is caused by the difference in tolerances/clearance between the bolt and the top hat spacers.
I bought brand new spacers and it made no difference at all.
It's annoying.
(As an aside, my head stock bearings are going and my rear wheel bearings are shot, so I'm not impressed by the longevity of these parts and will increase the frequency of maintenance and keeping an eye on the rest of the bike in future)
If it makes you feel any better I am certainly riding my new to me trials bike, regardless of the Coronavirus. It has been amazing! I can't wait to get off work and ride some more...
Well you're in a different country with a different set of circumstances but over here, we'd call anyone that said that a selfish ****.
I wasn't convinced their "screw" vs "unscrew" terminology to be correct. When you turn the preload adjuster it doesn't visibly move in or out of the fork cap.
Are you in agreement with turn all the way "in" aka CW and then out from there 5 turns as a good starting point?
Yes. Almost all suspension (but not all) generally counts the turns/clicks out from all the way in. "In" being CW until it stops, and "out" being CCW. The reason being, you can screw all the way in without issue but in some cases, screwing out until it stops or the adjuster comes out can cause issues/damage.
Not much of an expert in electric starts and the associated faff / tech.
Does $500 (pretty much £400) seem a lot of money to save you having to kick?
Depends on the purchaser. For me, no. But if you have a gammy leg (I've heard a number of older riders switch bikes or give up because they can't start some bikes) then it makes sense. If I was in the market for an xtrack, then yes, I'd go for the e-start.
If you've got some pressure but the pistons just move out and then back and don't easily pop out then it's likely that the grooves for the seals need cleaning. I did mine and even though they looked clean to the eye, the amount of crap I could scrape and wipe out was unbelievable. This can make the seals fit a bit too tightly on the pistons and not let them slide out properly. Unless the dealer/shop was really good, they probably just chucked the new seals and pistons in.
A good indicator of this is when you pump then with no cap on the master cylinder and no pads fitted and the pistons move out then on release of the pedal, they immediately go back in to the same spot. It's the friction and the elasticity of the seals that pulls them back.
The only other thing is if the hole in the master cylinder piston (or anywhere in the line) is blocked, stopping fluid from being sucked down. But if you can easily back bleed it, that shouldn't be the problem.
If you want gears you will have to wait for another manufacture to actually market one with a box, both the Gasser and the Mecatecno prototypes had gears. I'm sure a proper clutch (and flywheel) on the E Pure Race single speeder is a good idea.
I don't necessarily want gears as such, I'd be more than happy with one gear as it makes life is bit easier! What I wondered is if by having only one gear then does it compromise the bike in typical British conditions?
I've always loved the thought of an electric trials bike but said that I'd wait until it had a proper clutch. Now, with being on lockdown, I've had a little ride in the garden (on my petrol bike) and it's underlined how awesome it would be to have an electric bike.
But, I've got a couple of questions/musings that I wonder if people have experience enough to answer:
1. Gears.. they exist for a reason - before the coronavirus hit, I was doing a fair bit of practice in mud. I learned quite quickly how important it is to use the gears to maintain grip. Using 3rd when I might be in 1st in the dry, and using 4th (with clutch) for big climbs for example. Now, with an electric bike with one gear, how do you go faster without increasing the torque/power relatively? In general, how do they ride in the slippery clay/mud we have in the south? Having a bike that has max torque all the way through the revs makes it sound like hard work. Gears effectively change the relationship between the torque the engine is producing and what is delivered to the rear wheel.
2. Static/slow speed balance - I'm sure expert riders wouldn't notice a difference but I've been doing engine off balancing for a while and have just started doing engine off hops (mostly because I don't want to annoy the neighbours). Now we know how much easier it is to balance with the engine running, but I didn't realise how much easier front end hops are with the engine on (even without using the clutch at all). With the e-pure, presumably, you don't get any increase in static stability at all? In fact, what is the gyroscopic force of the engine like?
I'm sorry but I disagree totally with this stupid lock down!
If they had taken much earlier steps to isolate people in the high-risk category and to increase their supplies of ITU beds, then most likely the rest of us could have gone about our business largely as usual. They've even shunned help from the EU to join a group Ventilator purchase programme! ?
I agree that they should have taken stronger action sooner but you are absolutely wrong if you think there is any other option than a complete lock down.
You need to Google "flattening the curve". Or maybe just watch the news.
It's interesting that some people still don't understand/accept that this is a real and dangerous situation and for once (in this generation), we as humans are not in control.
It's barely a mild inconvenience to not go riding for a bit but some people are acting like it's the actions of a totalitarian government.
Local trials centre is closed but as I'm WfH I'm using my evening commute time to nip around the corner to a park'n'ride car park, which is virtually deserted and on the edge of town so no houses about.
As well making good use of the parking bay white lines, there's a grassy hollow just beyond where the tarmac ends that is proving useful too.
Basically, I'm riding more now that ever before! If this virus goes on much longer I might even learn to slow wheelie! ?
That's a tricky one because although it's probably very low risk of injury or contamination, it is directly contrary to the instructions we've been given. I'm tempted to take my bike to an area by my house but I think will restrict to balance/hopping practice in the garden.
You could argue that it could be daily exercise but the instruction is to stay at home unless absolutely necessary or to get some daily exercise... which I'm pretty sure is limited to walking, running & cycling..
I use army goretex boot liners (for enduro mainly) and have ones that come up to my knee. They are very waterproof and I don't think I've ever had wet feet, apart from maybe a bit of damp from sweat.
Also, I always wear bridgedale trekker socks and they keep your feet perfectly warm even when soaked through. They are very comfy and just keep your feet comfortable whether it's hot or cold. I call them "my magic socks" and I've got about 10 pairs now.
Not one to be political, europe has halted all sports and taken drastic measures to try and halt the spread. Whilst not particually concerned personally about catching it having read up, I do however feel its irrisponsible of the Acu to have let events go ahead this weekend along with the rugby and other sporting events. The only way to curb this is to get on top and quickly like Italy Spain and France have done, or trying to do. Being brave and brassing it out.. might not be the brightess option. This is serious, and the sooner the world gets to grips with it the sooner we can get back to normality. I am confined to my house and garden at the moment for the next fortnight, only out for food, and essentials, with huge fines if caught, not observing the rules.. we are all in it together.. remember that.
Agreed. In the scheme of things, how important is a bloody motorcycle competition compared to trying to slow the spread of a potentially deadly virus.
The problem with the UK is that life is soooo comfortable and safe over here that people find it very hard to accept that bad things actually do happen. I feel really bad for the over 70s as it sounds like their fate is in our hands and some of us don't seem to give a toss.
I loved the video too. And I thought stop-allowed combined with the time limit worked well. No-stop would be a nightmare at that level. It was a real problem at the Southern Experts last year when we were told to be super strict on stopping.
I watched a lot of the older videos on stop allowed and they were just "hop, hop, hop, wide open and dump clutch".. so I was concerned it would be like that but that course looked really well set out, albeit with some pretty intimidating sections.
I'll reserve comment on no-stop at the southern experts as I don't want to spark another conversation about it! But this national round looked like a success. Real shame about the serious injury though.
I've got the Apico wireless one which has both hour meter and tacho. However, the tacho looks to be very inaccurate so I've ignored that bit. I bought the wireless one as I wanted to mount it in the airbox but it needs to be mounted on the frame really, to pick up the vibrations.
I would recommend getting the wired one now. I think the tacho is more accurate and the reading is more reliable. But I'm happy with mine for maintenance tracking purposes.
Have received the new spacers and o-rings. One of the old spacers is slightly bigger than the others (only by 0.05mm). Will fit it all and see if it makes any difference.
Interestingly, both the original o-rings were cut and damaged. The new ones looks good but were £4.20 each!
Cheers Chris, I haven't had a problem getting through a trial it's more to do with ensuring moisture doesnt get through to the pins of the plugs on things like the cdi and sit there coroding the pins
That's exactly what dielectric grease is for.
I think I'll be checking mine connections and greasing them soon.
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Oh I don't know... Don't underestimate the competitiveness of a 40 something male..
"You've still got it Bob... You've still got it..."