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Hmmmmm now youve got me thinking and planning for 2011 I've got most of those bits lurking in the shed. Not too sure about the tank though. Theyre a bit picy on tanks so i hear. Funny what you can get away with though. Now if it was an Arial nobody would bat an eyelid at the above. Whatever you do dont ride a Bantam ooooooooo no

Looks a beautiful bike by the way but if that is allowed at your events why would anybody in their right mind want to ride a proper twinshock ?? might as well just take the engine out build one like the one in the photo and crush the rest of the bike.

After further discussions with the land owner in question over a beer or three he has asked me to clarify a coupe of things. 1. It's not that he "doesnt like modern bikes", he argueably is the person who first introduced them, it's that he doesnt like the damage to the land that modern bikes and the modern technique of their riders does to the land in question. 2. He is , like me, very anti the converted monoshock issue and feels that it is not the way to go however that alone would not result in the loss of the land to our club. 3. The land in question has a theoretical limit of 50 ish riders due to complaints from locals about inconsiderate and illegal parking. All vehicles must be off the public highway. 4. There have been a lot of complaints from locals about the "attitude" of some and i state categorically some of the riders on those bikes but no complaints about riders on Classics and Twinshocks. On balance therefore he has decided that his land will only be available to clubs who cater solely for Classic Pre 65 and Twinshocks. Incidentally i have also heard this morning of another ocal venue that is now also not available to clubs wanting to use the land for modern trials due to the behaviour of the riders riding across farmland and causing damage. The particular landowner has been a trials enthusiast for years and i remember chatting to him many times on Pipeline so he is NOT anti bike but does have to consider his farm and his business and doesnt need the hassle he has been getting so has decided to tke this course of action. Anyway possibly straying a ittle off topic so back to the thread. Just wanted to set the record straight

As they say "if you cant build it right build it bright"

Because the land owner doesnt like modern bikes and he classes air cooled monos as a modern bike. His views on coverted monos is the same. Put simply he doesnt want them on his land. It's his land and his choice but it is one of the more favoured venues that the club uses and will be sorely missed.

Ok but you will soon have more classes than riders. How about a class for people called John ? or bikes that are red ? Come on guys you know why people do it. It's to gain an unfair advantage. Nothing more nothing less. Theres already a class for them and we are going to lose one of our best venues as a club because of the air cooled monoshock class at our club. Fact !!!!! The land owner also wont allow clubs who allow freak bikes like converted monos to compete either. Truth not a wind up. Thanks then.

With a touch of autumn chilling the air the sun shone bright on the riders who gathered at Clifton scrambles course near Ashbourne Derbyshire for the running of round 9 of the Peak Classic Trials Clubs Club Championship. A slightly depleted entry partially due to the Classic Show at Stafford clashing with the event and also some of the regulars taking advantage of a last minute break had an enjoyable day completing 4 laps of 10 sections. Most of the sections consisting of very tight turns around the trees and banks of this popular venue taking marks off the majority of the entry. Section 7 on the expert route being especially tight and sinuous over rocks. Surprisingly nobody stayed clean all day with those tight and twisty sections leaving some thinking a sat nav would have been the perfect accessory. The class win with the least loss of marks went to Chris Slack on his Beta now back to its pristine self after holing a primary case at the last round Carson

Didnt know about that Darren. Lets all wish him a speedy recovery and return. Please keep me posted as though i dont know Simon well enough to call him a mate it's always sad to hear when one of us suffers an accident or missfortune. I will be away for a couple of weeks but would appreciate it if you PM me if theres any, lets hope it's good, news. Lets hope when i see you next Simon will be on his way back. Him and his family will be in my thoughts.

After the wide open spaces of Tilton on the Hill Leicestershire the tight twisty turns of the pocket handkerchief course at Carson

Must agree top banana Good chap tell him i told ypu.

Assuming your bike is pretty much as mine Forks 250 cc 10 grade oil depends on the outers ong roadholders or short etc. Gearbvox as per MA and i incidentally agree is the thickest you can get locally to hypoy 90 but main thing is chnge it regularly.

Good point and to the crux of the matter. To some Club Secretarys

I studied Darwinian theory at Uni and dont seem to remember anywhere it encompasing retrogressive "evolution". Just explain how Evolution translates into making something into what came before?

As a lot of you know i've got my views about converting monos to twinshocks and have voiced them many a time on this site. Had a deep conversation with the local ACU man and i am assured that for next year the ACU will be sorting this out. Yeah right The words couldnt run a bath come to mind. Allegedly they are going to stipulate to all ACU clubs "fitted with two shocks at time of manufacture" I could drive a double decker bus through that one and if thats the best the ACU can do then i dont know why they even bother !!! What qualifies as "at time of manufacture"? If i build a frame tomorrow with twin shocks to take a TY, Fantic, Gas Gas, whatever motor then "at time of manufacture" it was fitted with twin shocks so is perfectly legal. What constitutes "manufacture" ? How much of the old frame needs to be replaced to class the frame as of a new "manufacture" ? Get real ACU. Why not ask somebody who actually rides or at least has a grasp on reality. There are already air cooled monoshock classes so ride your air cooled mono however many shock absorbers is fitted in that class and just think how good it will feel to beat a real monoshock on your mega fiddle cheat bike If it's just about having fun like so many keep telling me and all about just riding your bike like the same keep telling me then whats the problem in handicaping yourself with twinshocks and competing in the class where your frankenstein creation really belongs? Or were you really looking for that elusive unfair advantage? Nah surely not. As for the ACU forget it they just take your money and contemplate their navel whilst sticking their heads up their corporate bottoms. The genie is out of the bottle but with small entries will anybody have the guts to make a stand? No thought not

Hi Had a couple of people contact me who would like a copy of results. I dont actually do the results but if you want to PM me with a fax number i can take my copy into work and fax a copy to you. Martin normally collates the results and posts them out but i am happy to fax a copy to you if thats ok?

The Peak Classic Trials club went on tour last Sunday 23rd August into deepest darkest Leicestershire and held round 7 of their club championship at Vickers farm / Riley

Best twinshock ever? How about a Pinky with two shocks welded on ? Sorry couldnt resist it

Currently modifying the OSSA for next year and i was wondering if anybody has had any experience with making an exhaust for a MAR? One thing i have never got my head around is why the exhaust is such a large bore? A 320 Majesty seems to run fine on a much smaller pipe as does my James so why does the OSSA and incidentally the Bultaco have such a large bore pipe? Has anybody tried a smaller bore one on their bike? The reason for asking is i can easily get hold of some 38mm s/s dairy bends which is what my James exhaust is made of. Also the TY twinshock exhaust is about the same diameter and a 320 seems to have no problem breathing well on that size. If i could get hold of a 310 OSSA pipe then i coud just tuck it in a bit better, wouldnt be hard lets face it, as the 310 gets bashed about on the rocks as it sticks out like a spare stabiliser. Probably explains why i cant find one anywhere. So chaps anybody tried a smaller bore pipe on an MAR ?

Well considering the original reason for starting the thread was Darrens posting asking why was it a "controversial" win ? Well i think two pages and counting proves it is a controversial subject at least. I think i should add two things to the melting pot that give me concern with regard to the converting monoshocks issue. Firstly i am in the process of buiding a TY250B twinshock, a real one BTW, and an OSSA MAR with the intention of giving the James a rest as it really needs a rebuild. I am now wondering if there is any point as it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to just buy a TY250R and just convert it and incidentally a lot more reliable and competative. Secondly and to me even more important is for next season the East Midland Centre Championship instead of as this year riders having to "opt in" by ticking a box on the entry form at each qualifying event they will automatically qualify simply by entering the qualifying event. Now Peak Classic in particular will again be hosting three rounds of the Classic and Twinshock Championship concurrent with the normal Club round so anybody riding the twinshock class will automatically score points in the ACU Championship. However ACU rules state that Twinshocks to be elegable must be originaly manufactured as a twinshock which a converted monoshock clearly isnt. It doesnt matter that it might be "period" or have a "twinshock" rear end grafted on it aint as originally manufactured as a twinshock. Now if the status quo with regard to riders being alowed to ride these bikes in the twinshock class carrys on then i can see protests and chaos which will taint next years championship. Which will be regretable. Like a friend of mines experience when he turns up at the Pre65 Scottish having clearly declared the bikes make up only to be told at the start that the bike was now no longer acceptable. I just think, as i mentioned to Martin at Burrycliffe, that the matter needs considered thought and a decision as to the elegability of converted monoshocks should be sorted before not after the "horse has bolted" before next seasons championship. I repeat i have no axe to grind either way as at the moment i only ride the British Bike Class not the Twinshock Class but no matter how "tricked up" a bike is this is a lot more than most people think of as "modifying".

Nice one Woody as usual spot on and to the crux of the matter. I only wish i'd had the balls to write what you have.

OK for those that dont know i do the report for the Peak Classic Trials Club for publishing in T&MX News and always post the same report here on Trials Central in the Trials Reviews forum. As i dont feel that forum is necessarily the best place for a debate i thought it prudent to reply to a members posting but i thought it best to do it here. Majdaz wrote. "Hi Paul, In respect to your well worded and much appreciated review of the recent Peak Classic July trial, I'd just like to ask why the win for Simon Foulke in the twinshock class was controversial. I agree parts such as the engine and front end are ty mono, but the rear portion of the bike is a standard twinshock including the rear wheel. {and you will notice it has 2 shock absorbers} I dont want to get too political one the subject of bike legality but you ride a "James" with a lot of sourced parts no older than 2006, apart from the service items on Simons bike everything else is either 30+ or nearly 30 years old. As you know I too have a british bike a C15 bristling with expensive billet bits and altered frame geometry all in the hope of competing on the modern classic sections. So I'm not going to be a hypocrite and pretend that I ride a standard bike. I, like you and Simon and 90% of all pre 65 and twishock enthusiasts enjoy enjoy tricking them up. All this development has come from the British bike brigade moving the bar higher and higher by men with vernier gauges and too much time on their hands. But its naturally pushed the price of the twinshocks up and up to the point of needing the best part of

Hi Darren if it's ok by you i will respond but on the twinshock forum as i feel it's probably a more appropriate place.

Sunday 27th July and the venue Berrycliffe Quarry near Elton Matlock Derbyshire Round 6 of the Peak Classic Trials Club Championship. Considering the weather a good turnout of 33 riders were presented with a testing but enjoyable course set out by the old master himself Mick Ransom. The course consisted of 4 laps of 10 sections laid out over and around the rocks and trees that this popular venue is famous for. Section 2 being one of the trickiest on all routes with some very tight turns over loose rocks and a climb out over loose scree making throttle control paramount. Pete Carson took his newly rebored Tiger Cub to a win with a loss of only 3 marks on the Expert British Bike route, it

True and after Yours, Petes and Marks input the bike should be more competitive. Shame improvements in the pilot wont be so easy Dont think it will be so "easy" to take next year though cos rumor is everybody who is elegable will receive points wether they opt to enter or not. Still was fun and must say congratulations to Mike he did all the rounds i didnt and on the day he rode better and deserved the championship. See you at Burycliffe i hope ?

Well that put the mockers on it didnt it Really blew it today just couldnt take the pressure. Must say though thanks so much for the encouragement and support mate and a big thanks to Mark Hallows who did his best to guide me around for the last two laps. Big improvement once he showed me where to ride but by then it was too late. Oh well the best man won in the end