the artist formerly known as ish

Lane you have all the answers, do you have a clue what is going on, Smage can ride the same sections on the same day on a 125, 200, 290 or any cc he feels like, just as you did back when you were scoring world round points, or not as the case may be, the little asterisks against a riders name meant they were riding the domestic championship only, but still in the arena at the same time on the same sections in front of the same crowed. You want the restrictions on 125's!! the AMA in all their motorcycle comps allow four stroke 250's to compete against the 125's, does that burst your little bubble when you thought you could propose a rule that discriminated against brands that don't build 125. This isn't the first time you have pushed for a 125 class, is it Lane?, wasn't the last time at an NATC meeting in the early eighties? was that because you were getting spanked in the championship and wanted to start a class you could win?, that is what people with ten times your credibility say. Lane, proposing what is best for your kid or anybody else's is fine with me, if they are daft enough to believe in some of your statements, but they also need to be informed that most are modified truths at best..

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Just to keep you thinking, I have used the Mont back wheel on all my Sherco's since 03, I keep the Mont spacers in the wheel so the disc is centered other than that it bolts right in. It's on my 320 at the mo.

Boof did a taste test, he said due to the high calcium content it just wouldn't stick, but he could pick it out ok with a tooth pick.

Post a pic, thought only Comerfords did one so late ?

Who deleted the gary glitter post, and why?

What is funny about all this and goes with the out of the box thinker, both the FIM and NATC now run a base section with a series of designated gates for designated classes. Leave the gates in, remove the designated classes and let the rider choose which gates they attempt, add the fact they have to do it clean and you have a gate trial Is the natural evolution of trials towards gate trials, was Carl's out of the box thinking, just plain foresight ?

I agree Lane, that is why you should state this proposal is yours passed on to another party to be presented at the NATC meeting, and not an NATC proposal to change the pro class as stated in this topic, and develop a 125 championship in another topic. Also you should state the proposals were turned down by the ones actually doing the events at the NATC meeting. While you compare what they do in Europe to what they do over here is all well and good, but!! people need to also know the club infrastructure in Europe has a youth base with club events and championships for those youth to participate regularly on a weekend, that isn't in place over here. Also the type of section used over here is not the same! and favors the bigger bikes. I am a fan of the little bikes and have competed on both four and two stroke 125 machines in the past few years, my choice. On the pro class, how many times would a parent or rider pay to travel across the states to spend half the day watching an event they didn't qualify for and say sod this why bother going, yes the top few may step up their game enough to make sure they always qualified, world trials championship comes to mind, top five doing well! the rest cannon fodder. If the world championship had an average entry of fifty riders/ event do you think they would be adding the support classes they are now ?

And your mum wouldn't let you play with thet Kinell, because he was a bad un

April 27th 1979 a lad, or lass for that matter could buy a TMX news for 18p and catch up on what's happening in the world of trials, long way from getting the results and gossip as it happens on the internet, but a black and white TV was still common in most households. Well in this issue, you could buy a new Bult from your dealer for 879 quid including the dreaded vat. You got twice as much iron for your money, two shocks twice the fuel capacity and twice the weight of today's scoots, but not much else has changed. Two young lads were tops at Waterside. Bultaco mounted Steve Saunders won the fourth round of the ACU's trials championship, the 14 yr old trailing Andrew Gardner 175 Fantic at the halfway stage of the event put in a determined second half ride to take top honors, Saunders now leads the championship by a good margin after Glen scholey 250 Bult could only manage 5th on the day. None starter Graham Haslam tore out a finger nail in a pre event warm up the day before. Tony Scarlet, 175 Yamaha showed everyone why he was the top intermediate. Runner up Steve Brownlee, first class awards, Mark Holland on 88, Graham Tales 89, Glen Scoley 100, Kevin Hart 106, Andy Gardner 112. In next weeks all our yesterdays the Victory trial gets the V sign from top runners!! The biggest disaster for years that was...........

Probably took them most if the weekend to discuss the proposal

This year you felt jipped because your man was not allowed to ride the world round, the FIM ruleing states a minimum age [quote name=dbrown U.S. World Round May 20 & 21' date=' Sequatchie, TN US Expert class to ride line for Youth World Championship US Pro class to ride World Championship line] Now if I understand it right, in 06 your man will be able to compete at the 06 world round in the same sections youth on a 125 or full size machine if he rides the expert class, and the full blown meal deal if he rides pro. If the NATC had made a 125 junior class ruleing same as the FIM, would this not mean he would be still to young to compete.

Sorry Sting. I can't make sense of this, you say it's all bull, then you say lets start the transition asap If a proposal for a 125cc class was put forward at the last NATC meeting and didn't become a change for 06, there must be a reason why, who who made the proposal, and why didn't it get passed ?

I think some are unaware of what the NATC is!! and what role they play in US trials. Basically it's made up of you and I, club folk who have in the past put nationals on or look to do in the future, all volunteer work. The whole committee on one weekend a year will listen to any proposal that pertains to the national championship, and then discuss the proposal, it's not voted on, a consensus of all there make the decision if the proposal is worth putting in to being, a blurb on a website or a poorly presented plan isn't going to get past the discussion stage, it both has to be well thought out and presented, things like how will it affect the series and is there a significant enough riders to make it worth while. As for the lack of events, only people to blame is ourselves, the clubs are the ones we dictate how many events there will be and when, at the NATC meeting those events are then put in the best order to work for all. If I wanted to put a trial in May in Oregon, and southern Cal, wanted to do one in June, they would try and get us on closer weekends so the travel plans only need to be made once. If you want more events at times that best suit you, the only way is to step up!! The topic I started about the series is to try and find why clubs are not volunteering to host events, first you have to identify the problem before you can work on the solution, the band aid only leads to more problems. If manpower on the day is the problem, should the two day weekend be split between champ and support, it's been tried before, can it be improved. Clubs need to say why, my reason is I can't do it by myself, that is just the point our club is at this time, I'm still active in the club and the next trial I put on in two weeks time will be the sixth of this year, and I don't/can't take on anything else at this time. Like Bentley says, a strong club is the first order of business before burning out the few you have on one weekend.

On the topic of the 125cc class. Isn't it better to have the option than be restricted ? If my lad was wanting to compete in Europe, or the world championship 125 class I would make sure that the bike he would be riding in all competition and practice was a 125. Do other youth riders in the national championship have an unfair advantage because they are riding larger capacity machines than little Johnny, on the type of section the support line offers, I don't think so. If the top 125 riders in the world rode the US champ class, how would they do ? To a certain point, is it an advantage to ride a larger cc bike ? Some parents can't afford to go out and buy a 125, so little Johnny has to ride dad's old 250 or nothing, do we take that away from those who can't afford to ? Does the NATC add a youth 125 class and youth over 125 class etc Who will take care of checking that the machines are in fact 125 ? hard enough to get observers and events without adding even more requirements. Just some thoughts

From reading the replies it seems a major problem deterring clubs from hosting events is finding enough manpower on the day, then a possible solution would be cross checking, it's not the ideal situation for a national but would provide more people to observe and other duties. If the national series was run in this type or similar format would more clubs be willing to host an event? if the question isn't answered then how will people know. The NATC are faced with the problem of few events, if the root cause is clubs unable to get the volunteer to run those events, and they are made aware of this, then at least they can work on it for next season.

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New one on me how do the twin shock lads register thier machines, does it only apply to new bikes?

I think it is on topic Dman, part of the problem is how can they use the series to build future hopes of young US riders. If they build a series that is championship material friendly, then you end up scaring the bread and butter off and all loose. Dabster is correct in saying it is up to the individual, Bernie knew this and had to make the decision to live and train in Europe, local riders have told me just before Bernie moved to Europe he spent a few weeks camping and training by himself in the Tillamook state forest, they camped with him on weekends as they worked on a upcoming national. Bernie would practice, and help them with sections, and talked with them round the campfire about what position he was in, he knew to go further he would have to move, he did move, the rest is history. Biggest advantage the European riders have is the time they can spend and train together, the size of the USA doesn't allow this to happen often enough or for long enough periods of time, from what I have seen they don't get more backing and support, until they start producing the goods, in fact I think a promising young rider in the US has more chance of getting help from an importer than they do over there, more kids wanting very few places, it is fact that some top 10 world championship riders struggle to make enough to compete and had to quit to earn a living. So back to the series! can it be used in it's present form to bring on future prospect, I think it can without changing anything, it is just a matter of what position of ability you can be at when still young enough to get to Europe. Living in a van and doing whatever you can to earn a few $$ just to be able to eat and get to the next event may not look so good, but you would be surprised how many have and do, and when your young it's an adventure, amazing what you can do when the only person you have to think about is you. I think the best thing we can do for the national series is hold more events, not change the system.

I didn't want to put " because old gits like me, can't bend our legs enough to sit on the new scoots

Once over someone in the market for a new bike could go along to the local dealer and check out the bikes, if trials bikes were on show, the basic shape still looked like a regular motorcycle. Even if the punter thought he may give trials a try but wasn't that interested in the sport, he could still have a useful trail machine for casual riding. Now the bikes are so small and compact with no fuel range or possibility of sitting down on trails the only person interested is the trials rider, I have heard many times people ask can I get a seat and bigger tank for it. This picture of the Scorpa long ride shows you can have a full blown trials bike with larger capacity tank and a seat, without loosing any of the technology, this could attract more buyers, it did in the past and even got people into trials, once they found out what the bike could do and how much fun it was. Why don't more of the companies offer this feature ? I don't mean a duel purpose bike,but a full blown trials iron with a decent tank and seat.

Hot topic on Todo trial, news artical,Trials or circus!! about the Spanish championship, relates to this topic as some there are saying the same thing about that series. The cost of riding the championship and the chance of getting injured don't make sence. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=e...=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Wife had our second lad the day after a national I was putting on one year Needless to say I was the most loved hubby in the meternity ward Made it worse when I said what could I do anyway I think without for a long time was the answer