Andy Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Two weeks ago I wrote about the eligibility of Pre 65 machines in the Pre 65 Scottish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizza5 Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Inevitably there were some niggles amongst the 87 postings about some riders always getting a ride and some riders who never get in year after year. Again, I have a viewpoint about that. It Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthehill Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 (edited) The trial doesn Edited February 3, 2008 by overthehill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old trials fanatic Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 (edited) The best riders on the best bike is most definately NOT what the Pre65 Scottish is about. Lets hope it never will be. Yes it is the pinnacle of every Clubmans riders asperations. Long may it continue to be so. You want a simple answer to the "who should be allowed an entry" arguements? Simple NO SEEDED RIDERS, A PROPER BALLOT OF ALL AND I MEAN ALL ENTRIES, NO RIDER TO HAVE MORE THAN THREE CONSECUTIVE RIDES, NO AUTOMATIC ENTRIES FOR RIDERS ENTERING THEIR SONS OR DAUGHTERS IF THE DAUGHTER OR SON WANTS TO RIDE THEY MUST BE OVER 17 OBVIOUSLY SO CAN FEND FOR THEMSELVES THEY ARE NOT AN AUTOMATIC EXEMPTION TO THE BALLOT, RIDERS USING THEIR SPOUSES TO OBSERVE SO AS TO GET A RIDE SHOULD ALSO HAVE TO FACE THE BALLOT THE SAME AS EVERYBODY ELSE. To put it simply NO SEEDS ALL ENTRIES BY BALLOT ONLY ! As for the bikes then the only practical answer is a "sillouette formula" Incidentally i rode at a Trial today and a guy riding a rigid something or other with a JAP as in J Arthur Prestley engine all most original and very pre war, which war i'm not sure, was cleaning things that some of the tricked up Cubs and James were not. Food for thought? Edited February 3, 2008 by Old trials fanatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapshot 3 Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 (edited) Jeez Rappers, talk about Cats and Pigeons.... I won't argue with your opinions because in the best sense of the sport they are correct however the Scottish should never be labeled as the best riders on the best bikes and we should hope the Edinburgh Club never go down that road. First and foremost, the Edinburgh Club members involved with the Pre 65 trial, will do exactly what they wish Edited February 4, 2008 by Slapshot 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw dave Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 After an article like that I think Rappers might want to stay clear of the " Men with the Kilts" They have always made their own rules, and only suffer the English because they have money !!! ( That should get a response from Big John) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Sorry but have I missed somethin/LIKE ONE WEEK ON THIS SITE..................I thought is was a pre 65 trial.................so if Woody enters on his OSSA and me on my little BPS we stand much the same chance as poor old ' Rap in your pants ' who fell over a tricked up James he found in his mates barn.......................no I don't think so.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big john Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 After an article like that I think Rappers might want to stay clear of the " Men with the Kilts"They have always made their own rules, and only suffer the English because they have money !!! ( That should get a response from Big John) As always, nice to hear the Outlaw's comments from across the pond! I think you have thrown in a joke there Dave, but it does have a more serious part to it....As my fellow Scot, Slapshot3 intimated above, the rules are indeed "Made in Scotland". I've said enough on other postings over the past few weeks, so I'll try not to labour the point. I have never been a believer of the "elitist theory" of trials. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing more pleasing to see than a good rider doing his stuff on a trials bike. BUT... Without "Clubmen" (good or not so good riders) at either the Pre-65 Scottish or indeed the Scottish Six Days, there simply would be... no trial. Trials is one sport where (unlike football) you can play the game with the best of them, without being a top class competitor. You can enter the SSDT but you can't turn up at Ibrox park and get a game with the RFC, no matter how much money you have in your pocket, can you? Big John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottt Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 On the subject of who should get an entry i hear what you say - however without a thorough knowledge of every one of the 300 entrants it is very difficult and you end up penalising the few that you know and letting in the bulk of the rest.in roadracing you have to qualify for the big events (eg the TT) but organising this in the world of trials would be next to impossible. anyone out there any ideas how this can be achieved while still maintaining the 'open to all' nature of these events? (of course we are not just talking about the pre-65 scottish) If you want a fair way of working out entries, how about every club in the country gets to nominate 1 rider, that could be that clubs Pre 65 champion from the previous year, in the event that person has already qualified then 2nd place gets the entry and so on. That way people who are out week in week out on there Pre 65's have a good chance of getting an entry, and will satisfy Rappers in that they then should be reasonable riders on reliable bikes. That way wouldnt discrimate against anyone and every that rides a Pre 65 on a regular basis has a chance of geting an entry. As for theres no way now of comming up with a decent set of rules for Pre 65 then why not scrap it and just call it the British bikes class open to any british bike. Does there exsist a decent set of rules for twinshocks, or are we going to go through the same thing in 10-20yrs time when twinshock is the new Pre 65? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinell Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * <-- Beware, Pre-65 minefield! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiley Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 I would still like to know where these 400+ riders are every week, I probably ride in over 45 meetings a year be it Trials -Grasstrack or Scrambling ( classic of course )aswell as putting our own 8/9 events on and believe me they are not about on a regular enough basis in my oppinion to warrant a guaranteed ride, A gang of us ride the odd meeting abroad and they are still not there, But at the end of the day i suppose the more we comment the less chance we have of getting a ride if any at all as i am sure the committee are having a little read of our comments and adding the offending postings to their data base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old trials fanatic Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Just re read the title of Rappers article. Why does Mike want to introduce hoping? Ever tried hoping a Matchless or AJS ? Youre a stronger man than me gungadin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highland lassie Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 But at the end of the day i suppose the more we comment the less chance we have of getting a ride if any at all as i am sure the committee are having a little read of our comments and adding the offending postings to their data base. Okay...enough! Can I just point out that the P65 committee are far too busy putting this trial together to waste time doing anything as petty as noting down names of every person that passes a negative comment...give them some bloody credit!! Maybe some of you want to remember that this trial is put on for your entertainment by a grand total of ten people. They give up hours, weeks and months of their own spare time to pull this together, and what for? They don't get to see any of the trial. They don't get to see any of the bikes. They spend their time running out in front of the trial / running round behind it / shut up in an office / tidying up the mess you've left behind - the list goes on, and I bet very few of you give them a second thought when you're in the pub regaling each other with tales of the day and they're still working their arses off to get everything ready for the next day. So how's about you all stop gurning, get over it and start looking forward to the best ten days of the year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totalshell Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 (edited) you should have to qualify for a ride and the first 180 at the car park and through scrutineering get a ride.. to qualify YOU.. must have black fingernails have no metric spanners in your tool box you must have an afardavit from yer missus declaring that you have told her that you've never spent more than a tenner on the thing must not wear any riding gear less than10 years old the bike must have 5year old 50000 mile universal tyres on weigh at least as much as a prize bull noy have been washed for 6 month and must drop at least a quart of oil in an hour no arguments there then sorted.. Edited February 4, 2008 by totalshell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subira Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Not comment on entry critiera. Silhouette formula is the way forward, the bikes are upwards of 43 years old. Expecting them to be original is a joke. Being more open over allowing modifications means that less money needs to be spent hiding them. A more open approach would mean that you wouldn't have to hide fork internals with expensive maching etc. At the end of the day its the nut holding the handlebars that makes the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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