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Glad that amused your obviously immature brain, nowhere did I quote that Hondas Future rests on a s stroke anything mate, obviously im not talking about the Honda Corporation. This is a trials forums hence the discussion is based around the trials department of HRC/Montesa. I mean it will be there loss if they dont develop something for the 2 stroke fans as someone else will/has.

I honestly think killing off the 2 stroke will be the undoing of Honda. They need obviously to go down the Skidoo E-Tec route, with its clean fuel injected 2 stroke, the future of 2 strokes could be SO SO bright but Honda are not helping at all. I have high hopes for ossa's return to trials, and think as a much smaller niche company there development of a fuel injected 2 stroke is good. I would really love to see someone like KTM make a trials bike I think they would be an awesome alternative to your gas gas etc as build quality is very good from them and they certainly have the brains available to develop something. I do honestly think it will be another 3 or 4 years before we realistically see a massive revival of 2 strokes in the dirt bike department. Kind of makes me wish I was rich so I could start to develop it myself.

I cut mine down with a hacksaw the day I got it, I find it does the job perfectly and also gives a bit more stability to the rear mudguard, and have also found it a lot easier to snap a fender without that black piece on.

Just looking at it there is also the option of using a shorter spring and attaching it to the chain guard mounting bolt.

To tell the truth I have rode all the aforementioned bikes quite recently too as ive been going out with a large group of lads who all let me have a go at one point or another, I like the beta its smooth and forgiving, also the build quality is nice. The sherco is an aggressive animal which i also got along with well for the half hour I had on it, to be honest it is definately one of the better looking trials bikes out there. The beta evo I had a go of just last week for about 20 minutes and it felt so nice, very controlled and never felt like you were in any danger on it no matter what you were doing, it also looks the dogs B**locks. The Montesa is a tried and tested bullet proof tank that just works. I own the repsol 2007 model and I'll be honest I've had it a year and im only just about 99% used to it, I still learn something new about it every weekend. I would suggest to anyone to try all the bikes you can one after the other and go with the one that YOU find the best as I dont think taking advice off others just because they have one means it will be the same for you. I have also owned a 2009 Gas Gas Pro which was amazing and very light. At the end of the day I like the montesa as its HRC built and I dont have to get my tools out after every outing, in fact so far i've got them out to fix a puncture and just this weekend I broke the spring retainer on the rear chain tensioner, apart from regular service maintenance thats it...in a year not bad!! Whatever you end up buying im sure youll grow to love it

2007 Repsol 4RT yeah I already had the idea of tapping it or helicoiling it but seeing as I have the meand of doing it so that it looks like it did I might as well. I'd rather it didnt look like it has been botched when i come to sell it. Plus im pretty sure i'd have to weld it anyway to perform a fix of that type as there is not much meat to tap into so would be best to just build up the base of where the old weld was and then file it off flat and then tap the weld.

Basically from what I can work out I have (at some point in the day) landed one of my rear chain snail adjusters on a rock which has subsequently loosened my chain, I'm guessing that whilst carrying on that day the chain has jumped up and whipped the small aluminium lug that holds the rear chain tensioner spring. This has sheared clean off, I have an idea of what it looks like but could do with someone taking a photo of theirs for me with possibly a ruler or tape measure next to it for reference. Or better still get some measurements for it. Just wondered had anyone done this and what did you do? I have access to a lathe, or at least a mates dad would maybe make it for me if I pay him, and I then imagine i'll have to get a decent tig welder to put it back on for me. Also where the he'll do younger the spring, I can't see em on sandifords, can maybe order from Honda?? Any help appreciated Many thanks

Those two bikes are exactly the same as what me and my mate ride, the 4RT has a tiny tank of 2.1 Litres, and the gas gas of his has a 3.2 Litre tank. When we both go out for the same amount of time if I say stick in a litre to top up he's putting almost a litre and a half in to top up. The problem with, as you say "Keeping your eye on the fuel" in a 4 RT doesnt lie in it not being good on fuel its because it has a small tank and with it being electonic fuel injection and therefore having a pump, there is no reserve so you get no warning at all it just dies. Whereas on a two stroke you have a nice reserve setting on the fuel tap which is always enough to get you back. Personally id like to see just a small LED fuel warning light on the new 4RT it wouldnt take much in weight or technology.

In fact here you go mate I didnt realise that I had one here in the house I thought they were in the garage

I have some Containers that my father "brings home" or "borrows" from work, he works on a process additives chemical plant where they make seriously corrosive chemicals and stuff, so these are guaranteed not to leak or swell or anything like that. They are I think 1 litre, never actually measured one but i stick one in my pocket or in a small backpack. Never leaked yet just plain translucent very strong plastic with a screw top. Ill take a pic of one if you want next to something for size reference. If you want one PM me and ill send you one in the post or something.

Funny really as I started out racing on club circuits road racing and the 2 strokes over a season cost a lot more to maintain than 4 stroke did. So suppose it depends on the sport really.

There is a real crack to the exhaust note on the 05 that can be deafening, the 07 sorted that out also cam is different power delivery as standard I find is smoother on the 07 and I rode an 05 back to back with mine last week so noticed the difference stright away. As for the 05 having less use I wouldnt worry too much mate as these bikes are really built to last. As long as the 07 is in good shape and theres no horrible noise coming from the motor you'll be OK. Incidently I was out with a guy a few weeks ago who had an 05 that he bought from new, got talking about maintainence etc and his bike was caked in crap when he got it out of the van, I said did you not wash it? He said now and then maybe not often though. I asked how often he changed the oil/filter........he said never!! I was well shocked he said he's never touvhed it since he got it but he did check the oil level once and it was low so he put some Asda engine oil in!! Unbelievable really but the engine sounded as sweet as mine and it also went up any obstacle that we went up.

Actually it was the NR500 Race bike that used "Oval" pistons, the Production bike NR 750 used elliptical pistons, nit picky I know but there is a difference The pistons are oblong shaped, but with rounded-off corners

OK cheers for info will try that, although I think thats pretty much what im doing anyway.

So come on then how do you ride it so that it grips, I've had my 07 Repsol about 5 weeks now and whilst I'm not really having noyicable grip problems it's always nice to get some tips. I love mine, the only thing Ive had to mess with is gearing but that's just personal, think I've got it right now at 9/41

Outside temprature plays a big part in it I think mate too. I have had a front mudguard fold 180 degrees and bend back with no visible signs it ever happened and then a few weeks ago had the same mudguard completely shatter into a million pieces on a cold day.

Just incase anyone is wondering, I spoke to Caroline on Tuesday this week as I ordered front and rear mudguards and she was saying that with the imminent move about to happen over this week and next things are a bit hectic, She's sold the Unit once to someone at Burnley but it then fell through and has now managed to source another buyer, so all being well she should be moving the stock to the new unit which is going to be in Haslingden, beter for me as its closer. I dont think however by the sound of things its going to be very customer facing type of shop that we are used to, its going to be 99% Internet orders although she told me that she will try to have the odd day and a few saturdays where she is there to deal with customers that are local wishing to collect stuff. Cheers

thanks for that info mate, I'm gonna try standard gearing then I think as that's how the bike is meant to be from the montesa factory and I think them guys know what they're doing! I'll try standard then work out what I want from there. Cheers

I really don't feel it like that mate, at the quarry where we go playing there are some serious hills, check you tube for back cowm quarry. I do agree that the gears seem to be longer than my gasser, you get the feeling that it's a torquey 4 stroke with short sharp gears but it's not. I still think this has been set up more for week to week trials though which us not quite what I'm doing. Will try it wit 10/43 as I have it now and see how it goes. Suppose like anything else it's all personal preference. What's standard gearing just out of interest?

Just wanted to know what the majority of people on here are running, I just got my bike and its on 9/43. While im sure this would be good for trials at the moment I am just having a bit of fun at the quarry/woods etc.... Anyway it feels as if 4th is too low for some big climbs although still usaboe, and 5th is to long and runs out of puff. I bought a 10 tooth front but my chains to small for that so Ive got to put a link in or also drop a tooth on the rear do you think this would be a bit much 1 on the front and 1 down on the rear?

Thanks will give that a go, im out at cowm today and have just done some small adjustments to bars and contols see if it feels any better but I think im gonna have to lift em. When you say you have 20mm higher bars do you mean via a riser kit or that your actual bars are 20mm higher? Yeah I have read a lot about clutches feeling a bit grabby etc and wanting to plough in tight corners. Thing is im probably not going to get the full benefit of the gear on this bike as I havent rode the standard one. This has a Mitani clutch fitted by last owner and the larger clutch master cylinder and just feels like any other clutch to me.

Actually I found a lot more grip to be honest but I think a large percentage of this could well be down to the irc rear tyre as the gasser had a Michelin on. That and the suspension feels like it actually works as it should. Also it's got the hrc programmable throttle body on and position 1 on the switch is the absolute softest there is which is where I left it the whole time.

Would love to say I do all that flicking about stuff but im not actually capable mate. It seems there are a lot of Monty haters out there to me, I must admit I was scepticle at first and I have only had a couple of hours on it, but I did enjoy it for everything I felt at first was bad there was another thing which was better. I liked my gasser dont get me wrong but there were certain things that annoyed me, for example no matter what I changed on the suspension and I tried a few settings it felt exactly the same. Bone jarring when landing a big drop or a wheelie or something, then there's working on it to change the front pipe I had to take off the whole exhaust in order to line the two pipes up as they are such an interference fit! In order to take off the rear tail section I had to remove the rear suspension top mounting and the rear master cyclinder. maybe this was only because the exhaust had bent in and started to rub on the rear tyre, but then maybe that only happened as the brackets on the frame that hold the exhaust had all split half way along the seams of the welds on this 6 month old bike! No matter what I did to my rear brake I could not get it to work consistently well either, also the gearbox was a nightmare you had to go to first gear before you could go to second gear. I know this is an adjustable cam that you can change behind the clutch but should it really need it on such a new bike. It did run well however and had a nice light feel about it but I was for ever having to tighten things that had worked loose last time out or even replace bolts that just went missing. These are some of the reasons I bought this honda, I did look at beta's and sherco's too but thought i'll try the honda and if I dont like it they seem to sell quite well and I think I got it at a good price.

Actually i think you've misunderstood what I mean, or more likely I've not explained it well enough. I don't mean it felt physically heavy in fact it felt no different at all to my gasser apart from when engine is off then I can feel it's a bit heavier when lifting it onto stand etc... Once running it feels the same in fact it feels better just right sort of, the weight I'm talking about is on my wrists like I'm too far away or I'm too close to bars not sure which. Apart from this little niggle after a quick 2 hours on it it feels miles ahead of the gasser in grip,power and most noticable of all the suspension and gearbox feel smooth and work like they should. Overall I was pleasently suprised having read a lot of woeful 2 to 4 stroke convert threads. Thanks for replys

Just gone from an 09 Gas Gas 250 to an 07 4RT, had a quick play on it today for the first time before I go to cowm on Sunday, just wanted to check there was nothing wrong. It felt a little heavy on my right wrist and right shoulder. Im no expert on working out what needs to be adjusted so thought i'd ask. The guy I got the bike off was not as tall as me he was maybe 5'9"-5'10" at a rough guess? certainly no bigger than that anyway. He's had the bike since new and has fitted a hope top yoke and Renthal Fat Bars. I believe the Fat bars come in different heights? Anyway Im between 6'2" and 6'3" and felt that I maybe needed the bars either further forward? away from me or possibly even higher up with risers maybe? Im not sure how it works exactly as the other guy was shorter than me so I thought they wont need rising but if my arms are longer and so are my legs then im further away right? Also its my 1st 4-stroke Trials bike having never ridden anything except 2 strokes! (Had plenty of 4 strokes but not trials) Is it just something they feel like? Any pointers would be helpful Cheers