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Very very nice......... less than £1000 would be giving it away !

Thanks for the posts and advice, much appreciated ! Turbo - yep still on with TLM, almost complete now. Could not source big bore, but everything else complete ready for Christmas. Didn't intend to get another, but the fantic was a good price, and looking ahead my son will need a 125 twinshock so couldn't resist! Your right tho, can't have too many bikes and projects on the go...... Latest stable consists of...TLR200, TL125, sprite 150 (3 mine), whitehawk 80, TLM 50, fantic 125, italjet 50 (all my sons) and we have a 2012 beta 80 and 2 bantams up for sale........ Happy days ! Cheers John

Hi there Just bought a Fantic 125 to restore. A few questions (apols - first Fantic!) - Any ideas what year ? Runs great, but seems a bit lacking in power and pick up from the bottom end. Is this just how they are, or possible carb rebuild ? Does anyone have specs of standard carb jetting etc for a carb rebuild ? To tidy up the tank, what's the best bet ? Does anyone do vinyl tank covers (I used to use them years ago when I did MX in the 80's ....) Side panels - best advice ? - or just keep an eye out on ebay ? Any general advice appreciated ! cheers John

Apologies to back onto thread ! If like to know mix ratio as well (I was going to use 100cc per 5litres as per my sons ty80 ?) Also what is the recommended gearbox oil quantity ? ......and finally ... I'm having no luck with a big bore kit ...any ideas ??- or will a bigger carb be a help ?? Cheers John

No problem, go for middle route ! ps - I've been at it 12 year and I'm completely useless Where was Sunday ? - just last Sunday was the Travers national in Weardale, nothing else on in North East ? Unless you meant Saturday at Bedburn?

11th October Consett are doing a very easy route as well as the usual easy, clubman etc at Butsfield. But look at any North East centre trial and it will give you a good idea cheers John

Latest update No joy from company in Holland (vsmotoparts) - spoke to them and they just said to have a look on the website for something I thought would fit ?? I have a friend who lives in Japan ( search on youtube and loads of videos of TLM50's trialling in japan !) who is investigating out there..... cheers John

Hi there Ill post the reply from the company in holland when I get a reply after the holidays Cheers John

Thanks for the note - I've emailed but the company are on holiday so I'll hopefully get sorted. Have you got any photos of your tlm ? Cheers John

Thanks for the latest update I've seen the fantic 80 on ebay - looks a decent bike at a good price - typical, one turns up when you don't want one !! Tlm 50 rebuild well on the way. On dismantling found it a sound bike, nothing untoward up to now. I've seen 60cc kit available so probably go that route as well I'll post some photos when finished, might be a few months tho as no hurry - it's a Christmas present Cheers John

Thanks for the latest update I've seen the fantic 80 on ebay - looks a decent bike at a good price - typical, one turns up when you don't want one !! Tlm 50 rebuild well on the way. On dismantling found it a sound bike, nothing untoward up to now. I've seen 60cc kit available so probably go that route as well I'll post some photos when finished, might be a few months tho as no hurry - it's a Christmas present Cheers John

Thanks for that ! Yeah I've seen Peter Gaunt riding his at some trials - and it certainly is capable ! (as he is as a rider !) We have tried the TLM before strip down - Its being prepped for my sons Christmas present (he's 12) and it works well - just need to rev and splat to get the front end up - but seems a great little bike - a great step uf from his Whitehawk 80 cheers - and think I'll invest in the 60cc kit John

Hi there Got a TLM 50 for my son, and was after a big bore kit. I cant find anything TLM specific, but can find an MT50 60cc kit below - apparently the same engine ? Can anyone confirm before I buy ? http://www.patternparts.net/fcm-Barrel__Big_Bore_Kits-Honda_MT_50-18-69.aspx cheers John

took capacitor off tonight and one of the terminals had snapped off - so hopefully an easy fix ! Got to say all of the wiring was soaked tho - so better waterproofing to try when I rebuild ! thanks for the help cheers John

Just been trawling the net and it seems Honda MT50 engine is the same as TLM 50 ? Lots of Big Bore barrel/piston conversions available for MT50........ what do you think ? cheers John

Hi there Just got my son a TLM and was looking for the big bore option. I know Peter Gaunt has 62cc in his. What is the best option for a little more cc's ? I'm looking for something relatively simple cheers John

Hi there Fan was running erratically last night at a trial. Would run, then stop, then slow, then run etc Bike was getting very hot so called it a day to save damage I've had a look on Tc forums and seems to be capacitor ? Assumption correct? If so, exactly where is it located, and likely source for new one? Many thanks John

Thanks I'm sure we will bump into you ! There are some pics on line of peters tlr - it looks very trick ! I think it's 62cc at the minute And he always hammers me ....... Cheers and thanks for the info and advice on here Cheers John

Noticed that as well ! Thought it looked strange, then looked a little closer ! Also might try to find a big bore kit! Cheers John

Many thanks for the kind comments Glenn - ill pass them on ! Anyway .....latest update ..... The TLM option got me thinking, searched on eBay and believe it or not there was one on there. Phoned the guy, struck a (very good) deal - bike should be with me in a couple of days ! So thankfully it's a 'proper' twinshock, no legality issues and more importantly Christopher has a bike he can compete on comfortably next year .....happy days ! Photo of bike is below........

Many thanks for all of the posts and replies - certainly sparked some debate ! Thanks for the note about Christopher and Hendriks lad being the future of the sport. Chris rides modern as well at C Class British Championship level - but would ride twinshock/classic all day long. Not sure of the reason, I ride both - he just loves the older bikes. If anyone knows of a Fantc 50/80 twinshock, or a TLM 50 please please let me know and I will give anyone a good price. I do agree that the converted mono's can and do give a competitive advantage (and in most cases the riders are that good they don't need it), but I hope everyone appreciated the thread was to see what is possible to keep a young lad in the classic/twinshock scene. Another photo riding the Whitehawk in a 'normal' club trial on the easy route.....

For info - Christopher at the end of Sunday after 2 days on the little whitehawk !

Ps - great photos Hendrik !

Thanks guys FM330 looks a good bet - if I can find a one ! If I can get the mono fantic at a good price I might get it anyway and decide what to do with it. The intent is just to have something for my son to carry on riding twinshock for the next few years until he is 'big bike' ready Understand previous comment on riding twinshock in 'normal' trials - we do that on easy trials but I think it will be a struggle on some club trials - that's when he rides his beta 80 It's amazing the positive comments we get when people are Christopher ride, that its good to see youths in classic trials He had a real following at the weekend and some really positive comments on his riding when he was cleaning sections Hopefully there is an answer in there somewhere for the next bike for him Cheers John