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Thanks I'm sure we will bump into you ! There are some pics on line of peters tlr - it looks very trick ! I think it's 62cc at the minute And he always hammers me ....... Cheers and thanks for the info and advice on here Cheers John

Noticed that as well ! Thought it looked strange, then looked a little closer ! Also might try to find a big bore kit! Cheers John

Many thanks for the kind comments Glenn - ill pass them on ! Anyway .....latest update ..... The TLM option got me thinking, searched on eBay and believe it or not there was one on there. Phoned the guy, struck a (very good) deal - bike should be with me in a couple of days ! So thankfully it's a 'proper' twinshock, no legality issues and more importantly Christopher has a bike he can compete on comfortably next year .....happy days ! Photo of bike is below........

Many thanks for all of the posts and replies - certainly sparked some debate ! Thanks for the note about Christopher and Hendriks lad being the future of the sport. Chris rides modern as well at C Class British Championship level - but would ride twinshock/classic all day long. Not sure of the reason, I ride both - he just loves the older bikes. If anyone knows of a Fantc 50/80 twinshock, or a TLM 50 please please let me know and I will give anyone a good price. I do agree that the converted mono's can and do give a competitive advantage (and in most cases the riders are that good they don't need it), but I hope everyone appreciated the thread was to see what is possible to keep a young lad in the classic/twinshock scene. Another photo riding the Whitehawk in a 'normal' club trial on the easy route.....

For info - Christopher at the end of Sunday after 2 days on the little whitehawk !

Ps - great photos Hendrik !

Thanks guys FM330 looks a good bet - if I can find a one ! If I can get the mono fantic at a good price I might get it anyway and decide what to do with it. The intent is just to have something for my son to carry on riding twinshock for the next few years until he is 'big bike' ready Understand previous comment on riding twinshock in 'normal' trials - we do that on easy trials but I think it will be a struggle on some club trials - that's when he rides his beta 80 It's amazing the positive comments we get when people are Christopher ride, that its good to see youths in classic trials He had a real following at the weekend and some really positive comments on his riding when he was cleaning sections Hopefully there is an answer in there somewhere for the next bike for him Cheers John

Thanks for the reply woody It is a difficult one , clearly this is to get a bike which is safe and rideable for another year as ultimately he wants a whitehawk 175, but I think in reality that's at least a year or more away. I saw a couple if converted monos at the weekend at Scarborough and that got me thinking. Agree on riding in air cooled mono class, but some either don't have the class, or as at the weekend they have to ride the hard route. The subframe bolts off the fantic so I planned to make a whole new back end so easily swapped between the two if needed. I came into trials from mx, so just wondered, back in 'the day' what was the logical step after big wheeled whitehawk ? Ty175 ? - just seems a big jump to me in size and weight Cheers John

Hi there He's not quite 5 foot yet, he rides a beta 80 big wheel no problem, but the bigger twinshocks are a bit heavy. Ok when you're not dabbing but not good if you get in trouble ! Cheers John

Hi there My son rides twinshock trials on a whitehawk 80 (and does very well, 8th at the weekend in the Scarborough 2 day in twinshock clubman !)- he also rides modern. However at 12 it's getting a little small for him (will definitely be next year) - however the step up to 125/175/200 is a bit much, I have a TL 125 and Sprite 150, both of which are a bit big. I've seen a 1990 fantic 80 big wheel, air cooled mono. Was thinking of putting a new rear subframe on and converting it to twinshock, as a next step ? Any thoughts or comments ? Cheers John

Definitely worth looking at pea farm as an Introduction to trials - good easy sections and a great night out ! Me and my son (12) ride most weekends in the north east and a lot of people on the Wednesday night ride twinshocks and classics so sections are reasonable (my son will be the one on the little 30 year old whitehawk 80 cleaning most sections !) Other than the Wednesday night, don't be frightened of any north east trial in the easy route- everyone is friendly and if you don't fancy a section just ask for a 5 - and in most cases it's as cheap as practicing Cheers John

Thanks all for he quick replies and advice A friend of mine has also contacted me after seeing my post to say he has now got one so I'm going to have a look and see. Cheers John

Hi there Quick question Will 2 trials bikes fit in a T5 with 2 rows of seats in (either short or long wheelbase)? Cheers John

Hi there I've just fitted a mikuni vm22 carb to my bantam Simple question..... Choke on, is it with plunger up or down ?. (ie lever down puts plunger up, lever up puts plunger down if you see what I mean !) Also has anyone changed main jet size ? Many thanks John

To back up what Gordon says - The NE is very active Take your choice (especially in the summer) - Wednesday, Saturday, Sunday Best training is do a trial ! - everyone is friendly and for beginners everyone is helpful hope to see you at a trial cheers John

Hi there Does a Pre 65 scramble rider aged under 35 on a BSA get put in with the Twinshock Pirates against the Maico 490's ? ps - doesn't really affect me, I'm 47 so obviously an oldie anyway ! - just trying to understand the logic and consistency pps - yet again this is tongue in cheek and hope it doesn't affect my entry ! cheers and yours in sport........ John

Best I have had are Ghost forged - thought they were the best shape, durable and comfortable. Has those on a 2008 Beta Rev 3 from new. Had some S3 on a Scorpa SY200 and they gouged a hole in my leg they were so sharp.... probably my poor riding tho ! cheers John

Christopher in action on the whitehawk 80 in modern trial ! Cheers John

I've used the Ty trials easy clutch lever on my sons ty80 and whitehawk 80, as well as other bikes we have had. He still uses the whitehawk, and the clutch is really easy to use Cheers John

A good debate ! My comments to throw in.... In the Twinshock trials I have ridden with Christopher (who is 12, rides a whitehawk 80, has a Sprite 150 and Bantam waiting in the garage) every comment is positive (its great to see young kids involved, I started on one of them, he rides that well for a young-un etc), I have never had any negative comments Completely agree against the ageist method of entry..... My CV, I'm 47, have had bikes since 8, motocross since 18, trials since 35, active motorsport for 29 years, I've been rider, clerk of course, post-knocker-inner, starter, scruitineer, observer, me and my son must ride 40-50 trials a year......etc - you get the score. So how do I stand against a 50 year old, or 60 year old who either came into the sport later (20 years ago), or as totalshell says is a once a year rider ? ?? That said I hope this debate does not jeopardise my entry as it will be sent off as soon as the regs come out ! Also on the scramble - almost all of the front runners in most classes are under 40, I would say a lot under 30, the top guys in their 20's ? People want to see them race - do the same ageist rules apply here ?? Many thanks for the forum and opportunity to debate ! John (Aged 47) and Christopher (aged 12)

Many thanks for the reply, I was just unsure of the age limit of 'adult' being amca ? (15?) I'm aware of the intent of the nostalgia, I've ridden it the last 5 years, however now my son is riding. He rides modern with me, and we both ride twinshock as well and he competes in acu as a twinshock as a youth. He loves the whole nostalgia weekend, we come for the full weekend and he would love nothing more than to compete. I understand the sentiment of event, however I would like to encourage younger elements into the classic trials scene, it can only help in the long run. Many thanks John

Hi there Does anyone know if there is a lower age limit for youth riders in the nostalgia trial ? Many thanks John

Just finished rebuild of Bantam D7, with a couple of running issues. Takes a good while to start - seems when you put some petrol down the port and heat the plug it will start, then run ok - changed plug cap and new plug. It will then tick over and rev out, but when you ride under load it bogs after about quarter throttle - sounds like it is pulling a load of air in. Any thoughts ? (crank seals ??) cheers guys John

Easy answer - TY80 all day long. Started my son on one when he was 8 and much better than an auto. He now rides C Class on a Beta 80, but prefers his Whitehawk 80 (Big wheel) for fun to ride Great bikes to learn on, you can't go wrong cheers John

Hi there Just bought an ignition tune up kit for my sons Whitehawk 80 and when refitting, I think it may have been wired incorrect previously (or I'm wiring it up wrong !). This is how I think it should be - hopefully someone can clarify ! Main ignition wire from coil into stator plate is joined 3 way with the stator coil wire, and a wire to condenser. Condenser then has another wire to the points. Hopefully this makes sense ! cheers and thanks in anticipation for the help cheers John