fatbikedude Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Is it not ironic that if Honda had spent a fraction of their time developing a fuel injected two stroke, the emission levels could have been brought down to that of a four banger? Imagine the state of that back silencer after the Scottish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Can we presume that fuel consumption is very low due to the size of the tank? Also are those snail cams on the rear wheel new or do they have them on the 315, they look pretty trick, as does the whole bike actually. Didn't see the fuel injestion coming. I hope it isn't so good all the 2-stokes will uncompetetive overnight forcing everyone to go and buy one!! Consider that gauntlet well and truly laid down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beta boy Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 the bike is alright but i think the 4t is a big fad they have just made it because everyone is board of 2t bikes i dont think it will last well that is my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaff Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Next question :- WHEN CAN WE TRY ONE. Gawd, that bike looks the part !!! Gaff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g4321 Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 The cylinder looks nice a small and low on the visible side but I can't quite see where the plug lead ends so don't know where the actual top of the cylinder finishes. There is certainly more on the left side that we can't see. It fills the frame where as this side has a lot of height above the cylinder. "The cylinder looks nice a small and low on the visible side but I can't quite see where the plug lead ends so don't know where the actual top of the cylinder finishes. There is certainly more on the left side that we can't see. It fills the frame where as this side has a lot of height above the cylinder" TAKE A STEP BACK AND THINK HOW AN OVERHEAD CAMSHAFT 4 STROKE WORKS. THE CYLINDER CAN BE SMALL AND LOW - IT DEPENDS ON THE STROKE OF THE ENGINE. I SUSPECT YOU ARE CONFUSING CYLINDER HEIGHT AND OVERALL TOPEND HEIGHT (CYLINDER AND THE CYLINDER HEAD/COMBINED. THE CYLINDER HEAD IS THE BIT WHICH IS TALLER THAN THE 2 STROKE AND DUE TO THE WAY THE ENGINE WORKS CANNOT BE SMALL AND LOW! THE ONLY REASON THE CYLINDER IS LOW ON ONE SIDE AND NOT THE OTHER IS SO THAT YOU CAN GET THE PLUG IN/OUT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 They will be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonsurge Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Is it not ironic that if Honda had spent a fraction of their time developing a fuel injected two stroke, the emission levels could have been brought down to that of a four banger?Imagine the state of that back silencer after the Scottish! Get yer pencils out - someone's going to make a lot of money selling a carbon guard for that silencer. If this thing costs much more than Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabs alot Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 It looks as though that is a guard over the silencer, if I'm seeing things straight! Look where the "silencer" meets the frame, it seems you can see the silencer "behind" there. Sure wish we could see the other side, it's not clear what type of valve train it has, that head looks awfully short to have valves in it they way we are used to seeing in a motorcycle engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Those foot rests seem way back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob abell Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Those foot rests seem way back? I thought so as well, but it's only longer footrest brackets. The back of the peg is just in front of the rear tire as on the 315. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabs alot Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 I'm curious why these photos were on the US Montesa web site Monday morning but were gone by Monday evening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnied Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 I'm curious why these photos were on the US Montesa web site Monday morning but were gone by Monday evening? Yes wondered that as well Vinnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Quite possibly bandwidth issues. Interest was very high. I was originally linking to the pics on the US Montesa site, but copied them onto my server to save them bandwidth as I have a high bandwidth limit My understanding was that it was an official press release and on that basis I certainly wasn't going to refuse them. Montesa's PR people sent out one of the photos last night after the afternoon press release. Whether that was as a result of the information being "leaked" (if it even was) or not I don't know. I'm sure I'll find out though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnied Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 (edited) Wondered too, US Montesa did not post left side unusual eh Vinnie Edited May 18, 2004 by Vinnied Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgshannon Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Pictures of the "left side" probably were not done yet. Remember that there is a difference between a "picture" and a "photo". I suspect that what we are seeing are pictures. They started life as a photo of the bike, but have then been enhanced graphically to create a picture of what the bike is intended to look when production starts in October. Anyone want to place odds on how much the bike that shows up in Japan this weekend will look like these press release "pictures"? As long as we are discussing things we have noted as "interesting" about this press release, did anyone question the wording? Honda has independently developed the new bike, with the goal of combining solid competitiveness and outstanding environmental performance... Maybe the press release just wasn't targeted at the trials audiance, because I immediatly wonder who Honda was working independant of? Independant of Montesa? Interesting that the engine cases say Honda and not HRC as in the past. This has been a very well kept secret and I would not be surprised if there are some more yet to come. While all of the hype, including the title of this thread, have referred to the "Montesa" 4-stroke, I for one have not seen one yet! I have seen a real nice artists rendition of a new Honda 250cc 4-stroke trials bike however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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