Andy Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 In the interests of being conscientious, I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andat Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Rappers, its not an old codger thing. It's a typical example of fiddling whilst Rome burns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copemech Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Tell us what you really think about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_scorpa3 Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Try to look at it from an average TV viewers point of view rather than a trials rider. The action is more important than the result For example: Takeany of the big block buster films such as. Mission Impossible, or 2012, or Men in black etc . The plot takes second place to the action, it doesn't really matter that no-one can really under stand how you get to the end scene providing the viewer was impressed from the start to the finish. I sit through this type of film numb to the never ending special effects but in wonderment at how thin the story line is. Indoor trials is now like one of these action films, a long flow of superb special effects (Sorry, riding) that keeps the viewer on the edge of their seat from start to finish, but the plot (sorry, result) doesn't really matter........ Unless you are a trials rider yourself and then you have no idea how Lara Croft (sorry, the winner) got there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizza5 Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Try to look at it from an average TV viewers point of view rather than a trials rider. The action is more important than the result Good post Pete and someone has already mentioned that it maybe should be a ''SHOW'' rather than a World Championship, but for that reason only a trials rider will look at the rules hence all the debate. Maybe if they made it purely on observation then we would be happier and it represents a little of the sport we know, but would that be spectacular enough for Television? I along with everyone think the rules are too complicated, I still cannot understand (and this is nothing against Wiggy as it could ahve been any rider in his position) how he dropped 25 in qualifying and beat Fuji who only dropped 9? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 They really aren't complicated and maybe you are just saying that to make a point. Its nothing to do with wiggy or dibs really, though if we look back at Micheals efforts last year maybe he might have had more luck? The rules are on the trial on line website in table form and they are straightforward enough, 8 is then 6 then 4 to the final. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Fuji droped 4 in the last chance wiggy and dibs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizza5 Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 maybe Most of TC members are just saying that to make a point. Edited for you, not just me seems a lot of people on here are in the same opinion I think some understand the rules I do !, so your not alone, whether they are right.............is open to debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilc0 Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) I often wonder why the Ladies don't ride the indoor events,anyone know the answer,i find it a shame there not involved. I love to watch the Ladies play Tennis on the TV,i hate the game but to watch aload of fit sweating birds running around a tennis court making aload of obscene noises draws me right into the game of Tennis. Edited January 25, 2010 by bilc0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) You have to ask this question, Who is the indoor series aimed at? if its aimed at the current trials community, then it needs to be in-line with what they want to watch simple as that! and one thing is for certain, you want to see the best! So you dont want to tune in and see the likes of Toni Bou get eliminated in the first round, which could easily happen. If they are looking at getting a newer audience, maybe from MTB or the like, then speed will need to be a factor, maybe Enduro-Cross elements or the like. Either way, indoor is never going to be proper trials anyway so its futile to try and compare it as such. IMHO Edited January 25, 2010 by AtomAnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billycraig Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 If they are looking at getting a newer audience, maybe from MTB or the like, then speed will need to be a factor, maybe Enduro-Cross elements or the like. Either way, indoor is never going to be proper trials anyway so its futile to try and compare it as such. IMHO Kickstart was speed based and pretty popular and theirs always lots wanting it returned to our screens. I enjoyed Sheffield (haven't seen france as I don't have a TV ) and found the speed/timed element pretty interesting, been bored watching it over the past few years and only go to support it. The format needs a little ironing out but its still trials on TV (and with 2 brits doing pretty well) which surely must be better than the One Show or Jeremy Kyle repeats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwig Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 I've read this article and can see nearly all points of view, so after experiencing the rules first hand, I thought my opinion might be of some interest... Whilst I understand the rules may be confusing at first, once you look into it its actually pretty simple. Sheffield was a bit of a one off. It was the first event using the new format and like anything new, there is going to be teething problems... We had Dibs on the podium for the first time in his career so this is great to have some new blood coming through and rattling the top boys. The scores carried over from TX2 to TX3 (which is now called semi final and final) ALOT EASIER! Dibs beat Raga fair and square over 6 sections. There were then some changes to the rules for Marseille to improve the trial. Once again there was qualification round which i just about scraped through to get in to the main event. The bottom 4 riders from qualifying went into the last chance which consisted of 2 sections and a double lane race. Everybody's started clean. Dibs and myself qualified on 3 points a piece while Fuji finished on 4 and Gubian 10. It may not seem fair that Fuji went out after beating us clearly in the qualification round but thats the rules, he knew them as well as we did and when given the chance Dibs and me took it. No one used complain when the rules were like they were, if someone was best in the qualification round and then finished 4th in the final, was that unfair? why didn't anyone say anything then? Its just the same as the case with Fuji and myself. He beat me in the qualification and i beat him in the last chance. I understand that the public wants to watch the best riders and would be disappointed if they went out early but sport would be boring if it didnt spring suprises... I personally like the rules as they are. I admit they they helped me on Saturday night so I'm not going to complain. The further i got, the more experince I gained and at this level, especially with the indoors, it's invaluble. The top guys have been doing it for years and the spanish have their own championship so why is it such a bad this to give the newcomers more of a chance to get in the mix. I would prefer 2 laps with every rider attempting every section and carrying the scores because i would gain even more experience but this isn't possible unless you want the same 4 riders like a travelling circus? The format is also being used to fit into TV times. This is definately a positive point, as really how else are we expecting our sport to grow? We need to give it as much coverage as we can! Thats just my opinion and hopefully haven't upset anyone too much. Yours in Trials, Alexz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordi Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Nicely summerised and explained Alexz, thanks for explaining it from a participants point of view Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_scorpa3 Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Thanks for that Alexz, you are certainly well qualified to express an opinion and we appreciate your 'riders eye' view on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapshot 3 Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 I'm not a huge fan of the Indoors stuff, I feel its become more and more of a circus but it's part of the sport these days so we make our choice to support it or not, in our terms, paying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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