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Can some one explain ?

The "comp levy" can't be £5 per rider per event !!!

Does this also mean that ACU licence holders are going to be charged an extra £6 per event ??

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The explanation issued doesn't clear things up that much.

http://www.sacu.co.uk/sacu_pages_editing_regularly/SACU_CompLicFeeExplained_2013%20V3.0.pdf

But it does seem to be £5 per rider, per event. Whether it will be a fiver 'extra' will I suppose be down to the clubs? If the clubs are paying less on insurance they may absorb some of the comp levy?

If it is an 'extra' I suppose it won't make a great deal of difference to the road racers being charged an extra fiver for event entry, but in percentage terms it's a massive increase for us trials boys. :mellow:

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I got the "explanation" letter, which seems to imply that if you only ride "1" trial a month, your comp license will only be £100.

Before I jump to conclusions, some tell me this isn't so.

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Ross,now you have to pay a £5 Tax to do your hobby.People will

try to tell you that it might make little difference but you will still have

to pay the Levy(tax).That's all disciplines so over the year that's quite

a bit extra going to the SACU.

What's the score with riders in England?

cheers the noo Brian

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Notwithstanding that when the comp licence was 50 pence it included third party insurance (something that was deleted who knows when with no fanfare) it does seem a steep increase overall. At least the ACU only charge a nominal fee up front.

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The new licence fee is £34.99(inclusive of an £8 for

riders personal accident insurance) bonus as last the

licence was £43,Then we get hit for a £5 levy per rider

per event :chairfall: .

cheers the noo Brian

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OTF, I ride both S.A.C.U. and AMCA events and guess what they are both

the same in some cases the AMCA events are more relaxed/friendly=fun.

cheers the noo Brian

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I got that wrong of course, but as I'm old enough to remember when the licence was 50p I can be forgiven. It was the entry fee that included the third party insurance and, if I do remember this right, the usual entry fee was £1.50. What are those in current terms?

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it's your SACU, and you get to decide the fees. i'm not going to tell/preach to you how to run your events - however it does sound very expensive, considering trials normally/reactively charge very little in the way of entry fees (compared to mx, enduro and esp road race).

i'm not up on the politics up there but didn't you guys just loose half your mx clubs to mcf ???

also is there a particular to scots law reason why you feel the need to add personal accident insurance into the competitors licence fee? the presumption down here has been that if the riders wants it, they can go to a provider (used to be CICA) and get it. similarly to keep costs down the ACU rolled back personal accident insurance to only big injuries to keep costs down and then offered "basic" permits (for mx, grass track and enduro) without any personal accident insurance (for riders) to keep costs low.

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All insurance sales seem to rely on confusion /too much effort to sort good from bad to not needed..... perhaps our glorious leader will (like electricity prices which like most of his initiatives seems to have died after 2 or 3 weeks) insist on simplified sales conditions and terms ...still best not hold our breath eh?

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I'll make a short comment only as most of the guys north of the border know who I am, some of them personally for a number of years and probably expect me to say something and not remain totally silent.

The SACU have taken steps to revise not only the way they charge for competition licences but also the insurance provisions they obtain for riders and clubs from their specialist brokers.

Like any sports governing body, it does not run on fresh air, we wish it did. It's directors control it for no financial reward, salary or directors fees, they are all from motorcycle sport and are all volunteers. That includes myself!

There is a comprehensive communication going to club secretaries, direct from the SACU office, around the 15th November or perhaps sooner, which shows them at what levels the event insurance will cost for 2013.

The funds raised by the new competition levy will remain in Scotland, within the SACU to be used to improve all motorcycle sport for the future of motorcycle sport. That is the aim of all this apparent upheaval at this time.

The SACU will no longer be able to earn any surplus or income from the insurance provided for riders or events. The premiums collected (£8.00 per comp. licence and all other premiums from events) will be paid via the SACU to the insurance brokers.

All current SACU competition licence holders/riders have already been sent a letter on 2nd November, these should now all be with these competitors. That is 'Phase 1' of an operation of open and transparent communication by the SACU.

It would be quite wrong of me to post too much information on here until the clubs get it first, this forms 'Phase 2' of the communication process.

It's the clubs that set entry fees, not the SACU; the events are run by the clubs, not the SACU; therefore they will decide at what level to pitch their entry fees for 2013, not the SACU.

Then and only then will we know which clubs can absorb the comp. levy and those that pass it straight onto the rider. This will apply for all 5 sporting disciplines, not just trials.

The comp. levy is payable 'per event', regardless of whether that is a one-day event (trial) or a six day event (trial). The new event insurance deal will also be 'per event'.

The comp. levy will not be payable, for example, for training days (run under a non-competitive event permit).

Every rider who enters a competition run under an SACU permit in 2013 will effectively pay the £5.00 comp. levy within their entry fee in all 5 sporting disciplines, thats Trials; Quad Racing; Enduro/Hare & Hound; Motocross and Road racing. ACU, MCUI; IOPD or any other acceptable to SACU licence holders will not be charged any extra, we all pay the same £5.00 levy within the entry fee set by the promoting club.

More official information will follow. I hope this clarifies some of your questions and corrects some comments. That's as much as I can say on an open website at the moment.

Big John

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I'm reading the explanation again and the "Rationale" is a bit confusing. Basically the license is increasing dramatically. Why ?

No actual figures have been quoted.

"We now all pay the same" are the risks and associated costs the same ? Is this a way of saying other forms of motorcycle sport have been subsidizing trials, or are trials now to subsidize racing etc ?

What will be the levy on ACU riders at Scottish events ? If it is also £5 and this is passed on it may well discourage the few that make the trip.

For many riders in the central belt, the (very good) trials in the north of England are as accessible as many in Scotland, whats to stop riders joining a club and getting an ACU license ? Not something I had ever considered doing as I, like Martin, have held a SACU licence for more than 30 years.

AMCA events are becoming more & more popular as it is (I rode Allan's event on Sunday and thoroughly enjoyed it) there are alternative events !!

I would like a proper explanation that only applies to trials as I really have only a passing interest in MX etc.

Thanks

Ross

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Hi Ross,

I have actually answered one of your queries above already

It is certainly not ideal to answer 'specifics' on an open website, as I said there is additional information going out to clubs shortly, the clubs will then set entry fees for their events based on what they provide to riders and what they pay to put an event on the ground.

As for joining an ACU club that you can do, but an ACU licence is not available to a Scottish resident, neither is an SACU licence available to a non-Scottish resident. Try applying today online on the ACU website for an ACU licence with a Scottish postcode and see how far you get!

Ross, you ride the Pre-65 Scottish 2 Day regularly so, for example the entry fee went from say £70.00 up to £72.00 you won't enter the event?

The actual SACU full, annual licence fee (1/1/2013 to 31/12/2013) has actually been reduced by £16.01 - from £43.00 to £26.99 for all sports, the £8.00 is not a licence fee, that is the riders' PA insurance premium for the whole 2013 season!

As I said more to follow!

Big John

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The new levy is bacause the SACU need/want more money and the riders are going to pay which is fine because we all know things cost more.The levy as has bean said before is to be payed by all competetors in Scotland MX, Road race, Enduro, Quad racing and Trials ALL pay £5. If your entry fee is £40 or more (MX, RR, E, QR) may be a small price to pay, but if you are going to a club trial cost say £8 that is some F*****G price hike. :moon::wall:

East Neuk Wobblers are going to see more bikes me thinks. :icon_salut:

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