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Can someone explain to me how a foot on the ground when stopped is not a fail?

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50 minutes ago, owlit said:

Can someone explain to me how a foot on the ground when stopped is not a fail?

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It is a fail, but having a foot down neither lessens nor worsens the stop. Ask the observer why he didnt follow the rules

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5 hours ago, owlit said:

Can someone explain to me how a foot on the ground when stopped is not a fail?

It's only a fail if the rider doesn't have both hands on the handlebars or the engine has stalled, so any observer giving a 5 in a stop permitted event are affecting the results. ACU reg TSR 22

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9 hours ago, owlit said:

Can someone explain to me how a foot on the ground when stopped is not a fail?

Some more context of what your talking about might help?  World round level, local club, video on the internet, etc.?

Without the context its hard to say for sure but it really depends on what rules are being observed.  As walkertrials indicated if its a stop permitted event most rules I have ridden under let you if your hands are on the bars and engine is running.  Some of other variations of stop allowed might be something like a stop is fine with feet up or something like that, if its a no-stop event then it should be a 5 because of the stop foot down or not.

If you are in fact talking a no-stop event, witch it seems like you are, then a rider not getting called a 5 when they did stop with a foot down would be an error on the part of the observer, often because of misunderstanding the rules or not being focused on the rider when it happened, but would of course have been a 5 by the rules.  

So hope that helps.  :thumbup:

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You seem shocked by this ? Stop allowed means you can stop, feet up or down. And for as long as you want, so long as there is no section time limit, nor p*** off the observer and fellow competitors by overdoing it

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Depends who it is & who's marking him. Cleans often given for artistic licence. Final scores regularly raise a few eyebrows. Also hugely influenced by well known spectators shouting " good ride lad / lass" when said rider has clearly failed. "Stop allowed" makes for harder sections, harder  to observe, longer queues, & smaller entries,  which is fine for a minority.

Surely there should be just one set of rules, which would make things much easier for all. ( Indoor arena rules are in an other worldy place & for a mere handful of riders. )

All said & done,  where would we be without observers on a cold wet Sunday morning, week in, week out. Massive respect to the Farmer John's of our sport. These knowledgeable, impartial, & reliable folks deserve a medal. 

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2 hours ago, pjw123 said:

Depends who it is & who's marking him. Cleans often given for artistic licence. Final scores regularly raise a few eyebrows. Also hugely influenced by well known spectators shouting " good ride lad / lass" when said rider has clearly failed. "Stop allowed" makes for harder sections, harder  to observe, longer queues, & smaller entries,  which is fine for a minority.

Surely there should be just one set of rules, which would make things much easier for all. ( Indoor arena rules are in an other worldy place & for a mere handful of riders. )

All said & done,  where would we be without observers on a cold wet Sunday morning, week in, week out. Massive respect to the Farmer John's of our sport. These knowledgeable, impartial, & reliable folks deserve a medal. 

Farmer John gets my vote, and thanks.

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18 hours ago, jonnyc21 said:

Some more context of what your talking about might help?  World round level, local club, video on the internet, etc.?

Without the context its hard to say for sure but it really depends on what rules are being observed.  As walkertrials indicated if its a stop permitted event most rules I have ridden under let you if your hands are on the bars and engine is running.  Some of other variations of stop allowed might be something like a stop is fine with feet up or something like that, if its a no-stop event then it should be a 5 because of the stop foot down or not.

If you are in fact talking a no-stop event, witch it seems like you are, then a rider not getting called a 5 when they did stop with a foot down would be an error on the part of the observer, often because of misunderstanding the rules or not being focused on the rider when it happened, but would of course have been a 5 by the rules.  

So hope that helps.  :thumbup:

 

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I agree, in my response I did specify stop permitted. Observing is a thankless task but many just don't understand the rules, but got to be better than marking yourself that definitely doesn't work.

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18 hours ago, faussy said:

You seem shocked by this ? Stop allowed means you can stop, feet up or down. And for as long as you want, so long as there is no section time limit, nor p*** off the observer and fellow competitors by overdoing it

Senior riders seem to like a rest in latter stages?

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