January 17, 20251 yr A Chinese motorcycle brand has bought Vertigo and it will be run in Europe by Marc Colomer and Xiu.
January 17, 20251 yr Author 25 minutes ago, ChrisCH said: The future is Chinese. The future is electric. And fans of the Vertigo brand will be very happy as for £7000.00 you will get 5 bikes so plenty of spares available for when things break.
January 17, 20251 yr 3 hours ago, ChrisCH said: The future is Chinese. The future is electric. It's pronounced - hydrogen You have now been charged for this service.
January 17, 20251 yr More information here: https://sjtrials.com/blogs/news/vertigo-bought-by-chinese-investors
January 18, 20251 yr 14 hours ago, b40rt said: It's pronounced - hydrogen You have now been charged for this service. Hydrogen will never ever be a fuel for small (less than 40t) vehicles. There are many technological reasons why. It has a role for large vehicles although the German experiment with trains (to which it is suited) saw a return to diesel/electric fairly soon (not sure totally why - see https://hydrogen-central.com/why-germany-first-hydrogen-train-is-partially-switching-back-to-diesel/) Hydrogen was (and still is) a massive lie by the oil & gas companies to pretend they are going green but still burning fossil hydrocarbon. There already is a perfectly good gas if you need it - LPG. Electric is most certainly the future for the light car market. China is the main manufacturing centre for electric cars and electric is 50% of their current domestic sales. China also is the main place of manufacture of PV panels and has a massive growing solar sector. Their government is committed to solar and is moving fast in that direction. China has terrible air pollution and little oil so needs to import oil or domestically produce cheap as chips electric from the sun. There is only one outcome of those variables. This is why the idiot Trump wants to tariff Chinese EV by 100%. The yanks are scared of China overtaking them as world no 1 economy. China will overtake USA soon, probably while the orange idiot is in power. Whatever. We are not bothered by such stuff as we like motorcycles, not cars (or trains). For trials bikes electric is a good fuel. Better in my opinion than liquid hydrocarbon for the majority of riders. For road bikes liquid hyrocarbon is a better choice. Road bike EV are thus far not much cop - too short a range and a bit heavy and clunky. Hard to see how current battery technology works for road going motorbikes. That might change, but for now I am keeping my Suzuki thank you. Road bikes are going Chinese. CF Moto is the brand of the minute (and doing well in the GP). The price advantage is considerable and the build quality good. We are at the turning point. Same place we were with the Japanese bikes in the 80s. However trials is not big in China. All I am aware of is the Tenaci Wong and it is going nowhere much. This industry news could be (I said "could") a shift. It would be great if China started to figure in trials a bit more and such an expansion would be good for the sport IMHO. So, to recap. The future is Chinese (CF Moto?). The future is electric (EM/Yamaha, Gasgas, Honda, OSET, Snow Leopard?)
January 18, 20251 yr IMHO Electric bikes are harder to ride than the petrol ones. The engine characteristics are still not as easy to use and they are so expensive. Ironically the quietness of the motor makes it harder for the rider to judge throttle response. The reason the German hydrogen trains stopped running was simply due to the lack of available hydrogen. Many years ago in the UK a hydrogen motorcycle was tested, no idea what happened to it. JCB have an excellent hydrogen engine for diggers it's a straight swap for their standard diesel engine. Refuels in about 2 minutes. Snag with hydrogen? It's a very small molecule and escapes easily.
January 19, 20251 yr 22 hours ago, micm said: IMHO Electric bikes are harder to ride than the petrol ones. The engine characteristics are still not as easy to use and they are so expensive. Ironically the quietness of the motor makes it harder for the rider to judge throttle response. .... Which ones have you ridden? I found the old EM to be not so good as my TRS, but the new one is on a par or better. It takes a fair while to get used to as they are different for sure. Yes too expensive - hopefully the Chinese will bring the price down though.
January 19, 20251 yr They should start building electric motorcycles in some economically depressed first world country where the domestic currency is only worth 69 cents on the US$
January 19, 20251 yr 2 hours ago, lemur said: They should start building electric motorcycles in some economically depressed first world country where the domestic currency is only worth 69 cents on the US$ We don't have the required engineers anymore 😁
January 19, 20251 yr 41 minutes ago, ChrisCH said: We don't have the required engineers anymore 😁 Apparently China doesn't have the engineering or they would not be buying it.
January 20, 20251 yr Not to worry about China made cars. In America we drive way too many miles for them to ever work. Besides no where to store the battery waste. The American consumer is already tired of the green dream. The car manufactures have thousands of new vehicles they are never going to sell.
January 20, 20251 yr 6 hours ago, lineaway said: Not to worry about China made cars. In America we drive way too many miles for them to ever work. Besides no where to store the battery waste. The American consumer is already tired of the green dream. The car manufactures have thousands of new vehicles they are never going to sell. 😂😂😂 New world order, you will have no car, or paper money. Think Amish life style 👍
January 20, 20251 yr We don't have those issues way out here. My kids, grandkids and great grandkids. Edited January 20, 20251 yr by lineaway
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