I use Michelin X11, compared to road bike tyres they are well priced
Enduro tyres cost more and last less, when trail riding and doing roadwork - we generally use a harder compound rear, for road use and I am using a Metzeler MC360 on the rear and it's like a brick, it's that hard
I’m about to change my bike. Had my Montesa 4RT 2016 from brand new. Hardly ridden but nice to have a new bike (someone will get a minter in due course).
The brief is simple. Something that needs zero maintenance (bar usual ongoing stuff) and will chug though easy routes.
My question is (given above) should I go from Montesa to Beta? I’m not convinced on build quality or residuals of Beta versus Montesa.
Honest views?
Honest view - you have a hardly ridden 2016 bike (your words) 260 Mont..............why not keep that, as the 2020 Mont is just the same
Ask yourself, why aren't you riding it?
Is it an ornament?
Ride the one you have, instead
Trials bikes and zero maintenance don't mix, if you're not a fettler................don't buy a Trials bike
However if you want a Beta 4T, buy one................Just ride it more often or it's a waste and just an ornament
the frame number being relatively short identified it as an Alfa Romeo?been advised that it is unlikely to work as there may be many vehicles with the same number
Any more ideas?
My TYZ came back the same, even with a longer Jap style VIN
I have a 2007 Repsol and it's fine - typical Honda and I couldn't tell a huge difference with the 260's when I tested one, however the 300RR was lovely, much more at the bottom and the Tech fork felt lighter
2016 fuel pump change onwards I think was more a standardisation with maybe non montesa models - up to 15 is the same pump as on your earlier bikes.
260 less braking than the 250 and is noticeable , 301 is even less and think same mon the 2020 260’s but not ridden one.
i had a std 260 2015 and put an ohlins on the back and s3 pipe and was top bike - and still cheaper than a repsol. Would put the s3 pipe on repsol either way.
Put the bike to std to sell and sold bits for what I paid so win/ win/winner ???
If I was buying today, I would buy the stock over the Repsol (although I have a 250 Repsol today) as they both have dual mapping and on the 2020 Repsol a lot of the previous carbon goodies have been ommitted on the 2020 Repsol
Like Jimmy said, I would stick a rear Ohlins or TRP shock on and if I was feeling extravagant a pair of Showa forks on too
I have a lot of new Repsol Carbon bits, in the garage anyway - so would just add them to a stock 2020 bike and I have a spare pair of new DID wheels too
On my eMTB I always store the battery in the house in winter, as the cold knackers the lithium batteries and this year we haven't had much below freezing yet this winter
Interesting what you all thinking iv gone from old sherco to 300rr it seems alot different to ride little sections id say its better but for doing tricks for fun im finding it really hard to move around so was thinking should i go back to sherco or keep practicing
More inertia on a 4T, lots more parts whirring around in the engine and the engine is heavier on a 4T, so it's more 'planted' and harder to do flips and tricks on (unless your name is Bou)
Sure most of the guys at the sharp end in Uk will be either sponsored bikes or well supported by local their local dealers, regardless of brand most riders won’t turn down a free or cheap bike.
Seeing at there’s so many different 2 strokes brands all with supported riders, yes of course there’s going to be less 4 strokes at the top level, it’s nothing to do with the limitations of the bike. Look at trial 2, the Montesa’s have dominated.
.............and their local dealers sell 4T's too, so they can ride them if they wanted
Only top rider in UK on a 4T (a Beta) is Ben Hemingway
Toby Martyn did well on the 4RT, but has had the last two seasons on a 2T
Watching the Scott, the 4 strokes seem to make harder work of the sections, than the lads on the 2 strokes, for the same given ability..............just an observation
If 4T was better the other Trials manufacturers would have launched a 4T in the last 10 years, but they haven't
Has anyone tried stainless steel bearings? The 6004 rubber seal bearing is very cheap (I can see them online for less than £2) and the stainless is not too bad (£7.50)
We sell trailer wheel bearings and for boat trailers they only last a year or so as they are routinely dipped in seawater. The stainless versions last a fair bit longer as they don't have the same corrosion issues. As jimmyl says it is not a big job to do so really a non issue, but I am lazy - if the stainless lasted twice as long that means only half the faffing about.
PS I can see the ceramic for a bit more (£12) - might be a better option still?
We have a bearing supplier, just up the road
He recommended the SS versions of bearings, similar to those that are used in the food processing industry (water/heat/steam etc) a good few years ago
So I use them in all my dirt bikes now and very rare to change a bearing afterwards - they do last longer
Luckily he keeps (or can get) every bearing used on bikes, plus all the seals for a fraction of the cost of oem from a bike dealer and all his are quality Japanese manufactured and none of you 'All Balls' stuff
I have had 4RT's since they came out, 2005..............always 250's and never owned a 260 ( I have ridden a 260, but couldn't tell much difference)
Now ride a 2007 Repsol
I have always struggled with grip, probably because I don't ride it consistently and I am a Clubman Novice now.
A few years ago, I bought a a TYZ 250 and now ride this more often as I seem to find it easier to get better results on
The TYZ is not your typical revvy 2T, as it has a larger flywheel and delivers torque in spades, will plonk from nothing and find grip where others fail to find any (loose banks and cambers) and therefore is not dissimilar to a 4T, in some respects
My TYZ has had the frame modified and the turning radius is now the same as a 4RT, at the headstock.............forks are are great and rear shock is acceptable
It has become my favourite Trials bike, in the stable
Love owning the 4RT, however much prefer riding the TYZ
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I use Michelin X11, compared to road bike tyres they are well priced
Enduro tyres cost more and last less, when trail riding and doing roadwork - we generally use a harder compound rear, for road use and I am using a Metzeler MC360 on the rear and it's like a brick, it's that hard