..but it does, its all part of the "circus" and that genie will probably never go back in the bottle. However in all the events I've been to in Italy Spain Portugal France Poland Andorra Luxembourg Belgium (Spa possibly my favourite) and Majorca has the access ever been a problem.
It isnt a case of what you think is entertainment (or I) its a fact of the situation rather than anyone making mistakes. I absolutely agree there are gazillions of places that are absolutely suitable for a world round but Im guessing that these would never be sanctioned either by any local authority or any way pass any cities health and saftey or insurane requirements, or alternatively they are too remote to access.
That is always assuming that a club or the ACU would be willing to take the risk that the venture could lose thousands, and I do know of one club that have looked at this but baulked at the set up costs, which may be the reason we nearly lost Tong, but I dont know about that.
Im guessing now your initial comments didnt apply to reality.
Im glad we can agree on something! lol
They did and they didnt. We never do live in a ideal world. I understand Tong ticks more boxes (in my eyes the wrong boxes) than most venues, trials just seems to be becoming less and less accessible. Its akin to F1 preferring a street circuit in some far away land while silverstone, a proper circuit, is at threat.
Of all the venues for the british GP over all the years, im sorry to say i think Tong is the worst. Maybe its just a sign of the times
As 2stroke4stroke says you probably should have had the bike started ASAP. I know a guy who waited till monday, after the trial on saturday and by this time the main bearings were pitted (sounded like a cement mixer) and needed replacing
Maybe incorrect maybe not but no one wants to run there, for whatever reason.
(16 year olds riding on the road seperated by a taped off section was probably stretching it anyway....
Martin Lampkin and Jake Miller spent a few weeks looking for a spot in yorkshire perhaps you know better than these two?
Newcastle the town? under lyme or where? Have you ok'ed it with the town council?
Come on @faussy you could be the answer to our problem spill the beans on where, exactly where?
Harwood Dale was one of my thoughts but after watching a Btc and riding the EYTD there im not convinced it has wtc terrain/sections.
ditto access 40 tonne arctics? Isnt there a small narrow bridge at the entrance?
The fact you still dont know where im talking about when i say newcastle makes me wonder why im having this debate with you.
The problem is those two were making the same mistake as yourself, taking into account access for big trucks. I go to a trial to be entertained, to see good sections, not to look at the trucks in the paddock. Its a sad day when access for the team trucks takes precedent over anything else.
The best place I can think is Harwood Dale at Scarborough. Far better than Tong.
One of the best rounds I remember watching was Hoghton Tower in 1994 - that was a great venue. Wonder if that is possible again?
I just think its a shame that the sections have to be built for the UK round as it isn't really reflective of our terrain.
I couldnt agree more. The whole idea of making sections that are more typical of spanish terrain than british terrain really annoys me, virtually to the point of why bother? Isnt the whole idea of a world series to produce a calender with varying terrain? It just seems to be "spainish like" terrain on repeat, and then everyone wonders why spain win everything. It reminds me of when the british mx gp moved from farleigh (100% grass) to hawkstone (100% sand), the dutch thought they had struck gold! bar Thorpe, the chances of a british winner at a british gp all but vanished! Just look how dabill went in a wet japan and imagine how he could go in a venue like hoghton towers. Dont we want the possibility of a british winner? because while we keep marking out sections for the spanish that will never ever happen. Everyone always goes on about when will bou or Raga ride the SSDT, and its a weekly joke at a local muddy trial, "i bet bou wouldnt get up that in the mud". Why not make them?! The british gp is our chance to mark out a proper british trial. What do we do, bring in big rocks and mark out indoor style sections. What a joke. All this pandering to the big wigs to provide facilities commensurate with the team's big trucks, just tell them in advance they are going to be parking in a grass field and if they dont like it, then dont bother turning up.
Wavy discs are to clean the pad surface, because there is a leading edge to scrape the mud off. Ride through a muddy puddle and a brake with a wavy disc will return its braking efficiency quicker than a plain disc. Plain discs just accumulate a dirty scum on the braking surface. An increase in leading edge area also increases brake performance in the dry, because there will be an increase in bite, something required for low speed trials. Pad life and braking performance are usually inversely proportional, you cant have both.
All of this depends how standard you want to keep the bike looking but IMO a wavy disc will provide better braking.
Bangor stopped because the local authourity didnt feel it was justified in spending the money to get a world round there.
Nowhere in Newcastle is siutable.
I was asking for a specific venue not a "general location" , and you can see why your choices dont work as above. Its you that needs to keep up and answer the question @faussy
What are you talking about I named 4 specific venues and one general...
Anywhere but there. There are many great venues in the UK, with next to no man made crap. Who really wants to watch that? While i know some cant provide the provisions needed for a world championship, some can.
The need for floating discs is so that the outer rotor can expand due to heat without warping. On most bikes the front brakes get a lot hotter than the rear meaning there isnt a great need for a floating rear disc. This is how it is on most road bikes, i imagine its the same reason for trials. The rear disc is also smaller so probably less likely to warp as well
I never knew this. Is this too extreme the other way??
"""Things were looking good for Bristow to take the double victory, right up until the tenth section of her second lap where she was penalised five marks for walking the section, a practice which is not permitted in the European Championship..""""
Fair enough yes but what about the second section he rides in that video, he tries to go over a rock and ends up hopping backwards and sideways off it. After this the observer is still indicating clean, he fives it later on anyway.
Not consistent really is it ?
Oh i totally agree, he gets away with murder 99% of the time. I only posted that because it was nice to see him getting a five for once
To me this is part of trials, and i kind of hope it always will be. Thats the benefit of riding something last, and being able to slightly modify the section to suit a different line. If everyone rode the same line and conditions it would be boring. I must stress "slightly" though nobody wants heavy modification, and to me washing a rock with some water is ok, but not ok that its the minder!!!! Id much rather see this than Toni riding up a section, stopping for good 3 seconds and coming away with a clean, which he does on a regular basis
I blame trialGP, they never addressed this issue at the start of the season.
In my opinion the ideal rules are a dab for a stop. Theyve run these rules before at world and british level and everyone liked them. 5 for a stop is too harsh. The observer feels more confident in giving a 1 for stop, so the rules are enforced more strictly and the rider doesnt mind as much for being penalised for a 1. It also allows a rider to stop to get that section that may have been marked out a little too hard for non stop. Its the perfect halfway house
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Im glad we can agree on something! lol
They did and they didnt. We never do live in a ideal world. I understand Tong ticks more boxes (in my eyes the wrong boxes) than most venues, trials just seems to be becoming less and less accessible. Its akin to F1 preferring a street circuit in some far away land while silverstone, a proper circuit, is at threat.
Of all the venues for the british GP over all the years, im sorry to say i think Tong is the worst. Maybe its just a sign of the times