Same principle. When things are at a lower level the difference in abilities is minimised
yes thats why i said" tell me" so same bike same course why are the scores not all the same ? no bike advantage but your still going to get good rider and bad riders
They would put less pressure on finding venues capable of hosting a WTC. Theres becoming less and less. You did hear the news that britain isn't hosting a WTC? Its a factor. Modern bikes certainly don't inspire this generation to get involved. If anything, they put people off
It is the bikes fault, when the bikes were less capable, experts and clubmen used to ride the same line. Now theres 3 lines, sometimes 4 lines at a trial and it still isn't enough. Put Lewis hamilton in a ford fiesta and you and i wouldnt be that far behind him. Put us in an F1 car, we wouldnt see him past the first corner. Same principle. When things are at a lower level the difference in abilities is minimised. Do you follow the Scottish or the pre65 scottish even?
Accessible? Accessible means lowering the level closer to Joe Bloggs, you're contradicting yourself here.
PS Your comment sounds like you were on the pish when you wrote it
The only thing put world rounds off is money or the lack of it , If you lower the level the same riders will still win just not loosing marks , So tell me this faussy why at a trial on the same course all the riders on the same make bike should be on the same mark as you point out the abilities are minimised The problems not the bikes its riders some will work hard to get fit and train hard on the bike and others lazzy thats why the need for all the courses , As for this" generation" the new bikes is all they know , When im at a trial and they complain that the section is to hard on a modern bike we used to ride it in twin shock days so yes its the bikes fault ! In 40 +yrs of trialing ive never seen a bike go through a section clean without a rider on it They all need to be ridden ,
So what would boycotting the club achieve? If it's £15 for an adult entry either way, what difference does it make? If the club is increasing the adult cost to pay for the kids then that could be difficult but otherwise, what's the difference?
well is it or would it be £10 everyone ? only a £5 but if you ride 45 trials a year soon adds up
Actually I don’t think the sport does enough to attract youngsters. Of course there will be a massive dropout rate and problems with cost and parental commitment, but every kid bouncing around on a scooter, skateboard or bmx is a potential trials rider. Somehow the sport needs to be put in front of them, to try to draw more in.
Nor do we do enough to attract new adult riders. Most people don’t even know trials exist.Unfortunately it demands more of the hard-pressed club committee members.
most people are on the internet and its out there but if people dont bother to look they wont find it
Was at a trial today and the topic of youth trials and training came up, My feeling is to much effort is put into the youth riders training days half price enterys etc .Theres source of riders the new adults are just forgot about, its all about the youth and before you say "we need the youth for the future of the sport" .Think on this if they are youths now, how long before they can do the running of clubs and trials ? What we need is people NOW not in 10-15years time so is the youth really the future of the sport or is it the new adult riders ? and how long will adults be happy to off set the cost of someones child adults £15 youth £5
Scorpa not doing the world rounds will have little or no affect on sales. Do we really care ? what has the WTC got to do with weekend club trials ? ive stopped even bothering to look at WTC now its so boring, So as for any WTC bikes they are not even close to standard bikes
I don’t know for certain but would think the limp mode is in the ecu software which I don’t think you can readily get into to change .
Ive had a fuel pump play up and a ptb fault in the past and not had the limp mode kick in so maybe a temp issue . I wonder if you linked the sensor out and put fan in manual you could maybe fault find further or kid the ecu that all was ok and hence come out of limp mode.
now you see the problem is it, faults on other parts or is it limp mode kicking in ? going to try green /orange wire from temp sender as it feeds or gets feed from the ecu tps /pb /ta can only try see what happens
perhaps he just wants to unfix something unbroken!
or just maybe i want to find a fault is A cooling B fuel pump C ecu or D maybe I dont not want a competition bike to go into a limp mode "so thanks for your input !" really helps out
The ECU is telling you there is a fault needing diagnosis, you wouldnt by pass limp mode on your car so why do it on your bike?
you can drive your car with fault light on ! as for fault on ecu, well if it ant boiling but goes to limp mode, no thanks dose any other trials bike need or require a limp mode ? ive got eyes to see if its boiling . so thanks for your input !
Not sure why you would want to - what the thinking behind the question?
A, zero faults but drops in to limp mode ,B so do i really want a competition bike dropping into limp mode while going through a section C dont want a limp mode, NO other bike has the need for 1
That of all the brands, it seems like TRS riders are the most likely to go full "power ranger" with the TRS clothing? Do they come cheap with the bike or does the bike attract a certain type (like with BMWs). I'm a tart and I'd like a shiny new TRS RR but I don't think I could bring myself to wear the kit too... But then I'm a fat old man..
Thoughts? ?
maybe people want to live the dream become there hero for 5hrs before going back to reality. What a sad world it would be if it was still black and white as it was back in the day "pre 65" dead dull not a sign of color just look at the photos ! i must admit i do find it very funny seeing them with a new factory replica bike all the gear and fall off in the first section
Need to look more at . ease of maintenance ,cost of parts, and the BACK UP you receive from the importer, i know what id pick, and it ant blue ! but thats me. Read any bike topic on this site all bikes have there problems some mechanical more operator , Strange you asked about sherco/beta would have thought sherco/scorpa as there is a difference,
Hi i use a bike rack over a lot of years i think the only problem is how and were the straps go, ive found cars with roof rails are the best, as the strap goes up at a angle to the roof rail i feel /think it takes some of the weight of the bike ( all to do with weight transfer stuff ) if all the straps only go down to the bike rack im not happy with that way. I only use 2 straps , 1 round foot rest down to rack stop bike lifting / jumping 1 round fork leg up to roof rail bike sits solid, As said long as you have a proper light board and no plate and bikes not flapping about, ive found the police dont give you a second look
In a way its good riders dropping down from gp to trial 2,but is it right ? it gives the young riders a bench mark to see were they need to be for trial gp .A lot off the younger riders have been made out or bigged up to be a lot better than they are. Lets face it if they dont bet these riders dropping down to trial 2 by a big amount they will not make it in trial gp Sad to see the wtc has turned out like club trials needing a class suit everyone
Yes these kids should be the next generation but the big difference is kids with push bikes get the bike and off they go ride around street / park or were they want BUT if the kid wants to ride a motor bike they need dad or mum to take him to were he can ride it ,so parents have to first invest into the sport just to see if the kid is interested in doing the sport so is the cost of bike /clothing /parts /transport /time/finding some were to ride putting parents off ? mostly the kids i see coming into the sport are from familys all ready in the sport
Problem with trials "fun riders all the gear and no idea" people to come to the the sport late on in life want to change the sport, whinge on about what class people should in-, the sections / course are to hard - what bike should be in what class,All because they dont want to start at the bottom and work up, So put the hours in to get your standards up dont expect a series trials rider be dragged down to a fun riders standard , If you can not ride the sections YOUR are not good enough ! what you will find is good riders will have good bikes because they put the time in to be like that .So next time you whinge on about trials being hard ask yourself how much time you spent at the gym , practice & working on the bike ?
would say though if you're going to run a "serious " trial this doesn't work, it's got to be observed,difficult, and not for the casual rider
This is the problem, serious trials riders who have worked and trained hard at it to get better and then casual rider who dont , Is the solution have FUN only trials and REAL trials and separate them. This would cut down on number of courses laid out (its hard at times to find hard/easy routes in 1 section) & riders know what they type of trial they are going to
trialsrider 46 you hit the nail on the head back in the day you had to work through the grading system NO grading system now so this is the problem with trials, riders ride what ever class they want .with a grading system in place it would get the riders on the right course (Section getting made harder) It was not that long ago top riders were wanting hard trials they got there wish find they can not ride the sections, so they drop a course or decide to get a pre 65/ twinshock ride against old men, then moan the sections are to easy , As for the bikes think your on a looser there, lets be real the bikes pre 65-twinshock most now NEVER existed
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yes thats why i said" tell me" so same bike same course why are the scores not all the same ? no bike advantage but your still going to get good rider and bad riders