The point is riders need to set out and organise the trials they want.
The problem is ,they can & do, at a practice area and NEVER go to trial in there life ! or like me stop doing trials and go to a practice area to ride instead. So has clubs become there own worst enemys opening practice areas ?
Sometime easy to type on here what is wrong less easy to get out on a cold winter night to go to club or local centre meeting - but somebody has to otherwise the whole lot will just grind to slow stop.
Sorry but I thought that was point of this was to find out whats going WRONG with trials !
Ross Noble on DAVE Trials on tv will this bring loads of new riders and entrys to trials . I dont think so as its been said theres alot more to do than ride trials AS rider of over 45 yrs ive lost interest in the sport i once loved , Clubs think old riders will go what ever so little or no thought is given to them its all about youth and new riders or experts with very little thought of sections for the older rider, sections range from easy move next course then to hard with drop off or jumps when was the last time you rode across a camber ? its all turn rev drop clutch go . Pay your entry fee you might get observers/or mark yourself lot of clubs dont even give trophys so pay ride with nothing to show for it, I can do that at practice so why go to a trial ? Remember trials of old club/center/national with a workable grading system ? what i see there is no change of severity between any of them now ,sort that riders might go to trials that will suit them best and be happy but as it is now riders do not have a clue what to expect from trial to trial
Strange BTC +WTC bad scoring by observers ? well heres a thought how about the ACU +FIM get a grip & supply the observers for THERE championships , then marking will be constant at each round , Dose some riders just lack any manners and have to argue any judgment ? gets back to a early post some riders need to read the RULES and understand them & what constitutes a dab or a fail
WOW great state the obvious !!!!! .Clubs have tried multi course ,multi classes, free entry to kids, training so were are they & how many trials riders that go to trials are NOT riding this weekend , some sports just die out
@on it whilst I can see what you mean if we got just half the people who go practicing every week to ride instead we would then have a lot more entries ?
However we have to have a sensible approach as if we fundamentally change events to suit those that currently practice we risk the people who ride now leaving to practice.
Which gets us nowhere.
The issue is that riders now expect their exact requirements to be met. This can only be done for smaller groups if at all.
Glen 100% its catch 22 is the sensible approach be happy with numbers we have & spend more effort to keep them in the sport ? and do as we do now make new riders to the sport of trials welcome
That's like saying you can't buy a football because you only want a kick about and aren't interested in joining the local team.
Lots of people enjoy their bikes and riding for what it is (supposed to be) ...fun and relaxation!
You sound like your going to start press ganging people as your next step.
It may be worth listening to what the people that don't come to trials have to say rather than telling them their just wrong.
buy a football kick it about dose that make you a foot ball player ! yes you can go "free ride" on a bike dose not make the rider a trials rider so whats it got to do with trials then? . Well the topic is about WERE ARE ALL THE ENTRIES???? why do people that dont want to do the sport or go to a trial have to contribute to the topic ? ,as i said in a early post, trials / trials clubs are not the cause for the lack of entries .AS for "listen to people that dont come to trials have to say rather than telling them they are just wrong" well what have the got to say about a sport they are not interested in , baffles me ! you either ride a trial or you dont the end
There are thousands of sports that can be enjoyed as a pastime or recreational hobby though
Does trials being a sport preclude it from being enjoyed as a hobby in a non competitive environment? I don't think it does.....
Well yes it dose Why go to a TRIAL which is ONLY a competitive sport then ? you what a non competitive environment WHY go a trial or do you expect to go to a trial and play/trail about on your bike thats not trials or have you found out as a hobby rider you have no were to go to ride (which could be more of the truth) Sorry but the nature of the sport and what it is about dose preclude it from being non competitive
To get back on topic. If the decline is to be stemmed there needs to be:
1) More easily accessible practice areas
2) A much better selection of cheap, easy to maintain and reliable entry level motorcycles.
why will more practice areas be better ? will that give riders some were to ride and NOT go to trials ,as we are trying to get entrys ? as for entry level motorcycles ?at what cost against 2nd hand bike is there a profit in it ? so if its cost why do you see some new riders out on factory replicas or new bikes ? DavidBaker summed the problem with new riders ( trials is a sport so why get a trials bike ) ?
18 hours ago, davidbaker said:
A lot of people thinking about getting into trials will be like me, had road bikes for years, maybe had a field bike or two when they were younger so riding the bike has never been a barrier to me entering a trial, the barrier was always not wanting to look like a fool in front of other riders and having watched several trials, the whole thing looked very intimidating. As a beginner I don’t see trials as a sport, I see it as enjoying riding a motorcycle, a Sunday activity, I don’t care about the points, I don’t want to be competitive (for now). Having a conducted trial was EXACTLY what I needed, enabling me to feel comfortable and confident in an otherwise unfamiliar and mildly stressful environment.
This not a wind up but i find 2 tea spoons work well good shape to leaver the spacer out "being curved" as were a screw driver being straight .Put grease on spacer before re fitting as said , this ive done with all my bikes not had a vertigo though !
WERE tell us then ! if they come to a trial find sections and the course to taxing & dont hack it you can not force them back .The nature of the sport is what it is , should they not prepare better for taking the sport up a little fitness training, trials school ? , never run but buy a set of trainers will they run a marathon ? so why with trials then ? Remember non of us get paid to give up time for train /help them ie trials school doing all that ,is there any guarantee they will come in to the sport or just go play. So we have to change the whole sport on a off chance we might get 2 or 3 more entrys per trial. Lets Look at trials &clubs its the same old faces that keep it running. do new members/ riders just turn up ride go home ?so is what happens when the old faces pack up who runs the club puts the trials on then ? best make the most of trials now
So if apparently the system works so well and there's no issue why is there a thread asking where all the entry's are?
No wonder only about 5 internet warriors ever post on here.
Says it all
SO having to fill in a entry form at a trial is stopping people going to trial REALLY ? so a internet app will cure, lack of land ,observers keep kids in the sport and get new riders into the sport I dont think so .Time we say how it is this might upset some people Is the real problem not trials but people coming into the sport they need leading by the hand, find it hard not admit it & blame it on every thing but them self so the sport has to change just for them !.Someone said egos yes they go buy a factory replica the gear struggle to get to 1st section fall off then some old bloke on a twin shock shows them how to do it ! not very good for the ego Who said trials was easy it is character building , I wonder how many beginners have looked into going to a trials school or even went to a trial to watch before going to there first trial just a thought !
brakes are a sealed system so should not leak fluid out =air in not good , As for hanging a weight on it i can not see what that would achieve apart from putting seals under pressure = leak , May i suggest , the system needs a good bleed then go from there, also the type of pads you use will affect the braking effect also cheek the pads for wear as they wear uneven and look for lips on them
The whole 'system' just feels as though it needs modernising in some way.
The same go's for sending cheques off in the post and filling out forms! I mean come on surely there's got to be a better way of doing the entry's on the day, other than filling in badly photocopied entry forms in the rain with a pen that doesnt work whilst being blown sideways by a force 10!
But the system works! TAKE a pen that works & fill it out in your motor if weather is bad ,modernise how ? entrys on the day how many trials have you been to with no phone signal =internet so no app/ paypal it then ? There is nothing stopping riders filling a entry form in at home. Take the correct entry fee with them but they dont even do that !
So a professional sport with professional promoter but needs? with NO disrespect to a AMATEUR club volunteer work force ie find land observers & helpers put the trial on ? , So theres nothing to worry about then at WTC coz its not run by amateurs any more so riders will stay & entrys will flood in along with the cash ! YES i do know what goes on as i helped with the gps at penrith ! .
The trouble with trials at wtc is TRIALS it is a amateur sport run by amateur volunteers for professionals so were dose/will the money come from ? to keep these riders in the sport
if you have lights fitted you need to remove white/green wire from head light loom plug to get the power mode as per hrc power pdi manual says can be found at montesa4rt .nl
when you lay them down they flood fuel gets in to air box as i found out lol so as you kick them over sucks the fuel in making them rich, i dont think it had a drain plug in the air box i put a one in, left open (bladder type) no probs again hope this helps
Reading the post it stands out the trials riders fall into 2 groups 1 that compete/ 1 that play, Its the 1s that only play we need to get to trials .Would instead of giving beginners a riding number a card with F on it for "fun" ,there scores are not recorded or put on results if they dont finish trial /miss sections they are not marked down as a dnf ,only there names on the results saying they were there " only they would know how they did", So when they feel ready they can get a riding number and compete if not stay in the FUN class , This way no extra courses/ alter sections or pressure put on them to do a section if they dont want to do it or do x laps they only do what they are happy with, The fun class is not just for beginners / thinking about moving course try it no scores to be seen
Fits my experience, fatigue sets in on lap one or two, falls become frequent, laps three and four become just about endurance. Riding with underdeveloped skills is very physical.
People tend to help in sections, it's worse to get stuck in a bog, wedged in a barbed wire fence, fall 10' into a steam, go over the bars trying to get over a log, submerge a bike etc. between sections.
There should be plenty of others on here with this experience, or is that the problem do most unfit middle aged new starters end up quitting? Having said that I now just practise I don't compete.
Now after reading that i do stand by "flat field " so its not the sections or the course between the sections but fatigue ! You are correct thats why new starters pack in they find it physical too hard (but whos that down to ?) keep going, it dose get easier
How very helpful, basically saying its easy to me, you're just a crap rider and don't even know what trials is about.......and some people liked that post.
There's not much on an easy route I couldn't ride now, but taking this attitude to newcomers is not good for the sport.
The first trial I entered had 6 first timers, the other 5 did not finish, 3 years on I wonder how many of those have sold up and moved on.
were do i say your a crap rider ? are the sections to tight to long ,not enough time to do them see THATS what feed back we need if there are no new riders coming into the sport the sport will die what dose a new rider want to ride dose not matter what section you put on someone will find it hard (all i was trying to point out what i see is happening at trials and how to improve things)
As new starter who "wanted to enjoy it and go to work the next day" the easy route did not work for me..... And I think that's the missing point, new starters aren't usually kids who dream of becoming a world champion and practise accordingly, they're people in their 30/40s who now have enough spare cash to buy a bike and limited time to ride it.
For me 4 attempts caused multiple minor injuries and expensive bike repairs, I did manage to finish 3 times with 90 to 120 scores but with several weeks of pain/discomfort. After 3 years of occasional practice I probably could now do an easy route, but we can't really expect every new starter to do that can we?
There are two easy solutions, lower the difficulty or put on beginner trials - and I'm pleased to see there are now beginner trials in the region.
Ive rode in the ne ,The easy course is no harder than getting round the course ! so why did the easy route not work for you ? what did you expect a ride across a flat field,(tell us so we can sort the problem )or is the main problem here people go get a trials bike go to a trial not knowing what trials is about ?ive been to trials when people walk a stream section from the bank side ! sorry what i see is a lot of riders that are sheep & can not find the line
its a really good topic this more you read the more you think , Is the problem clubs are trying to hard to get big numbers of riders ie class for that /a course for them and in doing so pleasing no one, Its very hard to make 3 or 4 sections for each class out of 1 wed night /sat trials set for beginners novice riders ONLY sundays hard/clubman trial only no trial should have more than 2 course that way you know what your going to get to ride Another problem is the expert riders have wanted t hard courses now they have got them they can not ride them drop a course then want that course made harder !
after reading the posts . The big one is how secret the sport is and how we hide in the shadows no wonder no new blood in the sport they dont know about it ! read some of the locations for the trials the row/tip end all ok if you know were your going, but a new rider going to there 1st trial a row of flags at a junction mean nothing to them , They arrive at a trial muddy field to park in ,no toilets ( for wife & girl friend ) = observers ,a farm track to get there ,someone new turns up in there car what a shock might be there first time up such a farm track there thoughts of the day not going back im going to wreck my car"£300 exhaust"! I feel there is a lot more needs sorting with trials than the just the sections, peoples expectations are a lot higher now than they were thanks to y tube . As for keeping the youth rider in the sport are they starting too young ? 4yr olds on a osset by the time they reach 21 they have been in the sport 17 yrs no wonder they want to move on and try something new
Where are all the entries????
in UK Trials Talk
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The problem is ,they can & do, at a practice area and NEVER go to trial in there life ! or like me stop doing trials and go to a practice area to ride instead. So has clubs become there own worst enemys opening practice areas ?