As for the rules my take is the bikes have developed too far and we need to limit them , for example we still run the same tyre width/depth as my dad did on his gold star BSA in the 50s it's nonsense.
The bike has to be RIDDEN by someone ,and if that someone (professional) spends 24/7 training it will be taken to its limit no matter what
2 hours ago, worlez said:
Do we want future generations of riders to look at trials as an old fashioned sport with no wow factor to inspire them to pursue it?
please tell us how ? TRIALS is old fashioned not changed from day 1 ride between set of flags and lose marks THE END ! anything other then its not trials is it ,£ CASH $ theres your wow factor were will that come from ? This is were the whole problem is with world trials you are talking not about sport any more but someones wage /job
i am just sceptical of it once people start having to sign things seem to spiral and you or me dont know what it might bring to trials it could be very good or it could be very bad. Me i like to just leave trials as they are ,good luck with what you do
Why would someone take two days out of their life every three years to train, and then not assist someone who needed it?
im not saying they will not step up NOW ,But your attitude is you expect them to " go and sign on get a sash" They are then put in a situation of pressure of staying at the trial ALL day think how they feel if they go early and someone hurts themself and they are not there ?. Yes great for the first couple of trials but will it end off like observers(expected) the same people get asked at every trial ? Every trials club is run by volunteers its a SAD day to expect the clubs to sort a plaster and someone to apply it ! WHY dont YOU organize (take on) the first aid at trials in your center ? im sure the clubs would love the help 1 thing less for a over stretched club workforce to do
The OP suggested the club should provide a first aid kit, IMO reasonable
The OP suggested that if a first aid trained person is in attendance they should make themselves known, IMO reasonable
You're interpolating way too much
Why should a first aid trained person make themselves known ? if having a day off imo reasonable, As for first aid kit riders have there own imo reasonable, Really were dose it all stop ? Do we manage at trials now so why is were is the problem ?
Knee / shin protection should be compulsory, huge number of injuries to lower leg. ( what's a blame clam ? )
a blame clam well weres theres a blame theres a clam eg, (ok you put a plaster on someone the wound gets infected the plaster is out of date and you end up getting sued ) easy money ! todays culture
Did you actually read the OP? A first aid kit is £10 and cuts and burns at trials while rare are very much possible. Not once did the OP even hint at an ambulance. Sure as you say, phoning 999 is a lot easier than having a first aid kit in someones boot.
Step up if needed yes, but if someone was to collapse at a section how would you know who the first aid or medically trained person is?!!!
YES & No he did not mention a ambulance I said "youll, WANT a ambulance next !! " WHATS WRONG with the rider having his/her own first aid kit on them at all times no ones stopping you doing that now or go back to your car and sort yourself out ! So what happens if no medically trained person is at the trial or come forward ? just cancel the trial then or do as we do now ? Faussy are your saying the club now has to find/supply medical/first- aid trained person when they struggle to get 10 observers now .
It's gratifying to know that our chosen sport is just about the safest motorsport there is. But nothing is totally safe, and medical events can happen anywhere (especially as many of us are no longer in the first flush of youth).
I do think organising clubs could do a little more on this front. I know Golden Valley have a defibrillator that is placed at Section 1, but I only know that from the time I observed Section 1 for them. It has never been mentioned at signing-on or rider's briefing. At signing-on with another club, I saw what looked like an old tupperware box marked First Aid.
So here are my suggestions for consideration:
Each club should have a decent first-aid kit. They're not expensive. A defib would be nice, but they are expensive.
Riders and observers who are qualified first-aiders or above should be invited to sign-on as such. To be called on if the need arises.
Signed-on first-aiders to wear a coloured sash so they can be easily identified.
Riders briefing to include a reminder about first-aiders and the location of first-aid equipment.
YOU are looking for problems that are very rare ,next you,ll want a ambulance at a trial just incase . You would find any trained first -aiders would step up if needed .As for clubs, clubs are run by volunteers who is going to take responsibility & liability( blame clam society) if the first aid treatment goes wrong ?,Read the sign "caution motor-sport is dangerous" so is it not down to the rider for his/her own safety ? seen loads drinks bottles taped to bikes never seen a first aid kit . Should we put entry fees up and book a ambulance for every trial first aid will be well covered then or just use 999 as we do now" that worked for me !" I feel this topic will come under " can of worms"
hum Nebulous wonder why the phones ringing non stop from people wanting to sell hardly used vertigos ? if they are that great !, Have you ever rode one for yourself ?. After reading your montesa novel just wonder how you can tell someone how and what the bike needs to sort it out. Im sure vertigo will be on the phone soon for help
I didn’t buy an Ossa because I’m not a good enough rider to know if it was not good. But a great bike in the right hands by all accounts. Reliability of early models was a big question mark.
I haven’t bought a Vertigo yet , because one hasn’t yet appeared at the right price - being sold by a straight-talking seller. When I say right price , I don’t mean cheap. I just mean realistic for June. The dealer in question spoke like a tit. Rambling on about -“there’s only one Beyonce , but there’s 30 of these (titaniums)”. What the hell does that even mean? His price is insanity, greed or drugs , or both.
My Montesa came with tight valve-clearances , custom linkage-plates , masses of pre-load - and everything set really weird. Delivered to a beginner that had never ridden a trials bike. With bolts pinched-up really tight. Anyone would moan. But the bike was bought sight unseen from the main marker for Exmoor trials club. I was convinced he knew his stuff. Two possible scenarios - either he didn’t , and the bike is fine. Or he did , and knowingly sold me a dud. So far it looks like being the first , but it was a close run thing - and my inexperience didn’t help. Thanks to the good people that helped me - I can relate to the bike now , as I first did - but had a predictable lull in the middle , wondering what I’d done. Was I in that much of a rush to get a bike? Seems so - bad move , but I think I,ve been lucky. Hope that’s clear enough for you.
clear as mud ,And the moral of the story is your money your choice your problem !
What if a sensor goes , and it throws a code? What are you going to do then?
make your mind up! nebulus good deal you be tempted /later ossa better prospect.? Then go off to slag vertigo dealer but you want a vertigo dont like the price then dont buy it . You have done nothing but complain about the montesa YOU bought with all its faults .So are your really the man to give advice on buying a trials bike ?
The gasgas bash plate bends up at the rear .The spacer is put in to bring the bash plate down making it more flat ,So allowing the bike to slide over/off rocks and not catch dog bones guard/ mounting plates .which over hang frame
Does it matter if you call them hard course or expert riders in this context ?
The problem appears to be that the hard course can only be ridden by two riders, so better riders drop down to the lower course and then want that to be harder ? Well ease off the hard course a little don't do away with it.
The original question wasn't about the lack of experts it was about the lack of entries in general.
it goes back to last august wher
Just now, baldilocks said:
Does it matter if you call them hard course or expert riders in this context ?
The problem appears to be that the hard course can only be ridden by two riders, so better riders drop down to the lower course and then want that to be harder ? Well ease off the hard course a little don't do away with it.
The original question wasn't about the lack of experts it was about the lack of entries in general.
it goes back to last august where a number of events had 20 - 30 riders.
so whats wrong with 20/30 riders ?why do clubs feel they have to get a large entry
I love this. Someone has ability, puts the 10,000 hours in and gets to expert level.
As a sport do we congratulate them ? No we demonise them, it's all their fault isn't it. If only they would learn to enjoy losing 2 marks on an easy course everything would be just fabulous!
4 courses and a club can't accommodate an expert ? What sort of incentive is that ?
I'm not saying sections have to be dangerous but if becoming an expert is a dead end why would a young rider start ?
With up to 4 courses it should be possible to accommodate everyone. If only 1 or 2 can ride the expert route then I agree its too hard but that needs adjusting not doing away with.
Any trial has to cater for the people who are going to ride it.
Were do i say anything about expert riders ? i said HARD COURSE coz theres not just experts who ride on it is there ?
Were the entrys ? how about the entry fees of £15 adults £5 kids or adults £20 & kids free ! is that why entrys dropping off adults think why should i have to pay for someones kid to ride a trial . Lets look at all trials clubman route full --hard route a hand full of riders on it have we been looking at this all wrong theres not a problem with trials at clubman level ,its more to do with the hard course at trials if only 1or2 riders can ride the section whats the point of it ? so what do we do make the sections even harder to take marks off them not make the sections easy so more riders get a chance ,yes the top rider wants them harder he gets more of a advantage ! but then what happens they can not do it so, pack up or move down a course but that course is to easy so the problem starts again !
I think some people like you @on it will moan and complain and probably are better off playing anyway.
If you need an explaination, the reason why I dont bother too much with trials around here is simply the quality of terrain, and access to suitable spots, you are so lucky where you are its a shame you dont realise it...... and if you think its cos Richmond is "different" Im guessing you dont know what real trials are.
For the best part of 10 years i struggled with one other person to secure a piece of land for a practice area in Milton Keynes which is as good as it gets imho round here, so I dont need any advice from you either.
Whether I know best is neither here nor there but clearly its time for you to see things more objectively?
O my hero dabster ! moan and complain ok I am but maybe i dont have rose tinted glasses ! I have seen things objectively and dont like the way the sports "gone" its not for me any more !.
that sounds like a feeble excuse, if youve been riding for 46 years i would have thought you might have found a club that puts on trials to your liking. Some dont realise how luky they are living in places as you do. Try riding in the south midland centre then you might see it.
I cant believe you cant join a club and help find siutable trials. Lack of consistency is a problem we all have to deal with and as @jimmyl says get involved.
Well nigel i really dont give a toss if you think if thats a feeble excuse thats how i feel ! yes ive found clubs with a few good trials but over the years they have gone , SO find suitable trials get involved seen that done that ! So im lucky to live were i do well dont you think we get sick of same place same sections also? you come up to Richmound trials why for something different ? so why dont YOU change the trials in the midland center if theres a problem with them (as you and jimmyl tell me to do that ) But as always YOU know best !
Plenty riders about but as Jimmyl says you've got to run trials that suit them.
On it says he doesn't ride trials anymore but there could be good reasons for this not all clubs make you welcome .
Why don't you go to trials now Onit?
breagh , ive riden trials 46 yrs lived it loved it Stopped due to, Lack consistency to sections ive ridden trials expert section 1 trial the next trial the same section is clubman or you ride 50/50 and get given a section the experts are 5 or 3 you just dont know what your going to get so air on caution and get easy sections drop nothing or ride next course up but take the risk of a big off & hurt as its rocks here
Plumbers mate, sikaflex or any kind of silicone sealent around the nipples is avoiding the problem and will not allow for broken or re tensioning trueing of wheels.
If the rim tapes is fitted correctly it should work.
NB leaking through spokes is what you can see, there isnt the leak, and the rims were not designed to seal on the spokes.
you dont put it on the nipples it goes on the edge of the rim tape , read ssdt beta prep !
The vast majority ride competitions of some sort so anecdotal evidence of practise only riders is a complete red herring.
thought we were trying to find new rides for trials and play riders with trials bikes that dont ride trials might be a good start but you know best nigel
That's called having a play - a trial is an organised competitive event .
If you are happy going for a play then carry on - the choice is yours.
If you want to be involved in some form of competition that suits your ambition/ability/preference and there are non about then get involved and organise the events that you would like to ride in. If thee are clubs that run events you like go and help out if you don't already.
"Clubs" are the riders so whatever its member want to do is fine -if you want a practice club then so be it.
If a certain club runs trials in a manner that is not very popular then market forces will soon dictate the number of riders it gets. If that club can maintain enough revenue and volunteers to keep running then so be it. However if that club signs up to a championship that has certain criteria then it should follow that criteria -apart from that it can do what it likes so long as it stay with the rules of whatever governing body it runs under
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ok what ever ! trials is perfect no problems loads of new riders and entrys ,waist of a topic really
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wonder if the ACU is fighting his case ? as Toby must have a acu international licence ?