"and left a amature (sp) sport run by volunteers trying to play catch up to them remember they get the cash the sport dose not" (correct spelling doesn't)
Isnt that club riders? WAKE UP
Nigel is RUN the same as RIDE ? Thanks for the spelling lesson NIGEL might not spell right but i understand them ---
RUN as in club = put events or organize ( dont need to be a rider to be a organizer ) ,
AMATURE sport = a person engaged in sport for pleasure rather than monetary gain
VOLUNTEER = work for a organization without being paid
RIDER = is a person controlling movement of what they are in control of (some of the time !)
PROFESSIONAL =engaged in a activity as one,s main paid occupation rather than as a amature
Total rubbish. There are only a handful of riders who earn decent money, the factories are paying them for a reason? How that spoils anything for club riders im struggling to see the connection.
wake up nigel what is the topic about ? WTC i say again WTC and just to make sure for you WTC .WERE DO I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT CLUB RIDERS ??
Been thinking is the real problem the PROFESSIONAL/SPONSORED RIDER , Being able to train 100% of the time have they just simply out grown the sport of trials thus killing WTC along the way. and left a amature sport run by volunteers trying to play catch up to them remember they get the cash the sport dose not !
1,The top route is way to hard with very few that can actually ride it, (but the top boys dont want it eased as thats there advantage gone )
2, problem observing or the very poor quality of it
3, sections 1 line (soon becomes very boring for the spectator )
4, lack of consistency in the trials
5 lack of use of natural ground (well groomed sections)
6 multi class /multi route ( trying to make 3 or more sections out of 1 )
7 more demanding for parc ferm than the sections
8 trying to pad the trial out with a qualifying speed section ( how about starting next trial in previous finishing order )
9 FIM /promoter running trials for professional teams and riders cost (but relying amature volunteers)
10 lack of entrys ( see all above )
you gotta ask your self who is going to spectate WTC a trials rider or joe public passing by ? if trials riders are turning there back on WTC as its got NO relevance to trials , a extra course /class ant going to fix it !
you dont think that Adam and Toni are the best riders ever in tackling the hardest sections ever?
try to keep up nigel ! the topic is BTC ! not WTC and as i say the standard has dropped is this due to no grading systems in place ? rides made out to be better than they really are, also runs before they start BTC
Said this for years it's the bikes that need limited not more rules;
Stick a 3.50 back tyre on and no one will be keen to stop.
Still riding with the same size tyre as my dad did on his Gold Star BSA weighing 400lb and 5 inches of ground clearance.
Sammy Millers said this for years (not the bit about my dad) but what would he know.
Yes bikes have got better over the years .BUT sorry the standard of ridding has fallen
Very few riders even at world round can get the most out of the bike, the problem is not the bikes its the sections too tight and technical for non stop ,but with hop and stop no
turn will be too tight next gripe will be the sections are too long for the time limit !
Ive been watching BTC on y tube and i can see fully why they have gone stop allowed, turns far to tight so most are ridden stop and hop
the rule change all this is doing is playing into the top riders hands as they can hop around easy now ,so its giving them more of a advantage
Is the only change needed is give the observer a score card and do away with punch cards only he/ she knows whats score is given with no fear of aggro from riders /minders like now with punch cards
I can remember first time around stop allowed it about killed trials off Sections were mad so tight if riders could not hop the bikes about or reverse , just gave the sport up and entrys dropped off .
Wonder how long before the cry comes we want to keep the no stop sections marked out but ride them stop allowed much they way they do now ! and not made mega tight and technical
The problem is you can have any set of rules you want but if there not applied 100% it turns into a farce,
Problem is with trials its what the observer sees at the time, and that should be the end of it !!! no youtube experts giving there 1p worth
So will all clubs be going TSR22A so riders can practice there skills ?
Gasgas should make Cabestany an offer and get him out of retirement!
How will that help the WTC , getting into the wtc is hard enough for younger riders to get rides,
As for riders dropping down to wt2 well that is a good thing, This gives the younger riders a level to get too, dont beat them riders you wont be making it in WTC
Fact= trials is a AMATURE sport run for WTC professionals top riders dont want sections changed so everyone can do them we are talking about there living , Time to face the facts trials is NOT a big enough sport to fund professionals
Do you have any pics of the modification? I would be interested to see what you came up with. I've been meaning to at least seal the airbox better on my '17
Agree with On It however wouldn't it be beneficial to limit the amount of dust entering the airbox as it in turn would be less dirty air for the filter to well...filter?
if you want to stop dust entering the air box i used a pair of woman tights cut down over air box inlet as a pre filter
I confirm that the machine(s) as described below which I shall participate on shall be suitable and proper for the purpose. I confirm that I am eligible to compete on the machines for which I have entered.
From entry form declaration that we all read? and sign at each trial.
Basically onus is on you for the machine to be safe - the club may check that it complies with the trials regs -ie not on knobblies etc but from a safety point of view its a self certification. If there is something glaringly obviously dangerous then the C of C can exclude you/ask you to stop riding etc
what it is im doing a electric bike but who says the bike is eligible to use , if unsafe i wont be riding it ! and why i ask seen it happen with J Bliss pit bike so before ii gets to far I want the facts
i build a new bike = dose frame and bike need to be homologated or safety checked like a kit car check to compete in a acu event for insurance purpose or will i just be covered when i enter a trial with it
Theres no need to worry about the dust and mud in the box it is not a airbox as such , the box is before the filter, =the filter is on the out let of the box so whats in the box has not been filtered yet
Has the observer problem came about because clubs put so many classes and courses on giving more people a chance to ride ? when this was not the case people that could not ride observed
The facts are WTC is gone to a level that dose not reflect normal trials, its turned into a circus act , I dont ride them so why do i care ? like most other trials riders i only worry
Lots of talk of changing tyres /bikes why ? why not just ban minders full stop ! if the riders have to go up sections with no minders to catch them or the bikes ,The riders will soon call for the sections to be backed off .
Said this loads Trials is like a secret society, how does any unknowing member of the public discover trials other than by accident .
Only the clubs and a few well meaning dealers push the boat a bit, as for the makers nothing.
It's a wonder any bikes get sold.
Has it become a secret society due to trials riders fear losing land ? as for the bikes when the cost of a new trials bike is more than a new car it is a wonder any bikes get sold Like it or not trials is a very specialized sport so you really have to be interested to get into the sport if your that interested youll find it
Why do we need to put name and address on entry form ? the ACU have your details for insurance purpose from you getting acu card , So all you need to do is put bike , class ,sign and put acu number on entry form ,then GDPR is not that much of issue ?
It would be interesting if manufacturers started fielding teams in "real" trials, then it might have some relevance to 99.9% of riders.
It would not prove anything .Even at club level the sport is at 2 levels riders that are 100% committed to trials and the other level are the play riders.
They would put less pressure on finding venues capable of hosting a WTC. Theres becoming less and less. You did hear the news that britain isn't hosting a WTC? Its a factor. Modern bikes certainly don't inspire this generation to get involved. If anything, they put people off
It is the bikes fault, when the bikes were less capable, experts and clubmen used to ride the same line. Now theres 3 lines, sometimes 4 lines at a trial and it still isn't enough. Put Lewis hamilton in a ford fiesta and you and i wouldnt be that far behind him. Put us in an F1 car, we wouldnt see him past the first corner. Same principle. When things are at a lower level the difference in abilities is minimised. Do you follow the Scottish or the pre65 scottish even?
Accessible? Accessible means lowering the level closer to Joe Bloggs, you're contradicting yourself here.
PS Your comment sounds like you were on the pish when you wrote it
From wikipedia Motorcycle trials, also known asobserved trials, is a non-speed event on specializedmotorcycles. The sport is most popular in the United Kingdom and Spain, though there are participants around the globe.
Modern trials motorcycles are distinctive in that they have evolved to become extremely lightweight, lack seating (they are designed to be ridden standing up) and have suspension travel that is short, relative to amotocrossorenduromotorcycle.
Motorcycle trials is often utilized by competitors in other motorcycle sports (such as motocross or road racers) as a way tocross-train, as trials requires fine throttle, balance, and machine control
Should there be another class in Trial GP?
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Nigel is RUN the same as RIDE ? Thanks for the spelling lesson NIGEL might not spell right but i understand them ---
RUN as in club = put events or organize ( dont need to be a rider to be a organizer ) ,
AMATURE sport = a person engaged in sport for pleasure rather than monetary gain
VOLUNTEER = work for a organization without being paid
RIDER = is a person controlling movement of what they are in control of (some of the time !)
PROFESSIONAL =engaged in a activity as one,s main paid occupation rather than as a amature
So yet again where did i say club rider ? YAWN !