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Hi Guy's
Hi OTF.
Bring her along, What better place for a birthday party is there.
You can buy her a present for your bike, at the impressive array of trade stands and auto jumble that will be coming.
Then after the days entertainment watching the cream of trials riders from the sixties onwards compete on four stroke bikes from that age or replicas of the same.
Or spend an hour gazing at the array of Classic British Trials bikes, on the show stands, And the bikes on the stand named, "How Long Has That Been in The Back of The Shed". And if that is not enough for her , then there's the Bands,Beer, and "Bike Talk", well into the evening.
Hope this does not sound to much like an advert, Andy. be in touch next week.
Regards Charlie.
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What a fascinating day.
Hi Guy
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Hi Guy's,
The ACU have got it wrong, and seem to have there heads in the sand, Or perhaps they have NO interest in keeping Classic British trials bikes, competing?
I think they are just going with the flow,and to most of them it is just a day job. There is no passion for British bikes anymore?
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's.
Perhaps the time has come for change, before it is to late. And all bikes with a British heritage, whether built in a British factory or replicas of the same are discarded totally, in the favor of Spanish and Japanese Twin shocks.
We Need two British classes ,one for so called pre 65 traditional bikes, which includes rigid's, easy easy route, and a class for Brit-Shocks, up until 1970, which should take care of the replicas etc, with sections that are taxing enough to make riders work for a win. But not over the top difficult.
Or something completely different like this http://www.classictrialsshow.com/
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's
Here is the link to the trial, And as you can see I nearly got my own way. http://www.classictrialsshow.com/ The invited "Stars" are now being contacted I am told.
And I have secured a place for you "Dave" and "Mark", as you were the only ones to show interest in the first place.
I am told that the entries for the open class are rolling in, so if you want a ride with a chance of picking up the prizes get your entries in now. first come first served I am told.
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's,
I am thinking of making up some glass-fiber covers for these so called modern forks ,with the profile of either Norton road-holders AMC,etc, made in two halves then clamped on with a couple of jubilee clips.
This is NO different than covering the modern forks with a alloy skin so it should be OK?
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's
The problem with "This Pre 65 thing" is There are no Single set of rules in this country, or any other that every one agrees to, or abides by. Clubs make up there own rules, and then some other clubs copy them, etc, and that's how it goes on And we all know that everything modern is hidden beneath a skin of steel and alloy, and the only thing you can say is, A bike should look and sound like a machine built before this magical cut of point December 1964, at a distance of ten paces.
If you start saying,as one example! "Well you can't ride mate",the pinch bolts are in the wrong place for a bike built before 1965, and then say to the next Guy, your bikes alright mate cos you have used Montesa yokes and the bolts are in the right place, and you have made an half decent job of hiding the Mont's forks in them BSA legs so you can ride in the pre 65 class. but the other bloke will have to ride with the specials. You would have thought he would have done the fork mod. First bloke gets teed off and leaves is bike firmly in the back of the shed for the next trial and then finds another hobby. Diminished numbers!!!
I have come up with my own formula on the BSA Otter web site http://www.bsaotter.com/ and we will use it when we run our own trials.
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's
Andy Bamfords number is 01252614105, The only way to go!
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's
Hi OTF.
Yes you could be right, but don't forget the chain saw has oil in the mix? or it is not going to last very long.
Could it be if you use the dregs, the evil ethanol has evaporated from the can? Perhaps we should add a drop of oil to the fuel mix and see if that makes a difference?
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's.
I think a lot of the problem is the fuel we have to use now-a-days. The only way to cure a plug problem is to keep trying different ones until you find one that works. Try Big wigs idea. Any way surely you carry a couple of plugs in your pocket, and a plug spanner taped to the bike ? So what is the problem, some bikes eat plugs some don't, you has to live with it.
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's.
1961-63 We were developing, the "Works" Bultaco trials ride, In Banbury at North Bar Garage, for works road race rider Dan Shorey. This bike was a converted Sherpa"N" I seem to remember that tyre clearance was a problem,along with the exhaust system,that restricted the motor to much, this was later cured by fitting the famous Peco silencer box. Front fork movement also needed sorting. This bike may well still be in the town.I will make a couple of phone calls. But I myself would not even class this bike as Pre 65 as it was only a prototype development bike(a thing to play with) at the time. [Picture further up the forum].
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's,
Hi Hewson,
Taking a look at the bike, yes it would be, most of it looks PRE 65 , except some cosmetics , but would you enjoy a day out riding it,along with the Brit bikes and the comments?
OK I know most of the Brit bikes are a lot younger and most parts on most bikes are still warm from manufacture, but it is the Spirit of riding part of British History, that was the "Trials bike" (Iron), built in a British factory whether big or small, and only copied by other countries wanting to cash in on its success as a sport.
But the most important thing in my mind is, If we say, well one or two wont make a lot of difference. The next thing we know every one will be making replica Bultaco M10,s to compete in all Pre 65 classes. And all British four stroke bikes especially,whether newly built or original, will be left firmly in the back of the shed to Rot along with there history. And we don't want that thank you!
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's.
HI OTF.
Its this Pre 65 thing again , We could make swinging arms out of any metal known to man now, and to any shape , and we do. But if a guy wants to convert his cub into a trials bike, and give it more tyre (tire) room , and has a couple of cub swinging arms to modify, this would still be the way to do it. As for the comp-shop, yes they would have sorted through every arm that there was, and then picked the widest one that would fit the frame they were using, hence the Sports Cub one Quoted. (We have come a long way up the road from the sixties, but we still wish we were back there?) Quote.AWP.
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's
The response to the site is relentless, We now have pictures of a Harry Foster built frame and a faxed copy of what could be the first production "Otter". Looks good now I have cleaned it up a bit.
Any more information on these bikes is more than welcome.
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's.
Hi Roger,
There you have it then if Sam said not until 65, surely this is enough to stop the Bulto from competing in the championship this year. But Chris is right about the Carb on your Cub The jap carbs were available before 65. 61-62 I had my hands on one. Seems like your rule books in Aus need changing ,like ours here.
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's.
I have just been reading a bit about the "works" BSA Bantam, the first one, and Brian Martin used a Sports Cub Swinging arm on this. So if BSA comp- shop used this arm, that must be the one for us boys to use, if you can find one? Ia'm sure I have seen one of these on the Greystone web site, and as I have said before this is the S/A used on BOK228C. So If we can't find them we should make ours look the same?
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guys'
Hi Brucey.
The best way to lengthen the swinging arm is to extend the plates the wheel sits in by one inch then fill the slot in by one inch to keep the strength.
If you take a look at my Scott Ellis frame , on the BSA Otter site you will see how it is done it s in the gallery. http://www.bsaotter.com/ PS, I widened my arm by heating the left hand casting to match the right and then heated the tube to match the same, but it is tricky ,and don't over heat the casting or you are in trouble.
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's,
Thank's for the responce, Have had more intresting news sent to me. Check out the NEWS page on the site. Keep um coming.
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's
Its been a long time coming, but have now got the site up and running, any information about bikes, ETC will be more than welcome.
Take a look and let me know what you think. Here it is , http://www.bsaotter.com/
PS could do with Collin Dommett's phone number,or an email address.
Regards. Charlie.
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Hi Guy's
Hi Roger,
Doing a bit of research I would say radial finned M10 not available until late 1965. Conformation will be difficult as only seems to be old photos to go on, unless our Spanish cousins come up with the goods.
Regards Charlie.
PS Contacted Chris will mail you.
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Hi Guy's,
This is Dan Shorey on a Bultaco sherpa N that was available before 1965, 1961-2 in fact, and we converted it into a trials bike. Dont forget that it was him that put Sam onto Bultaco. Sam coming to Banbury to try the bike in secret, before he signed for them.
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's
Hi OTF,
This is it with MDP barrel I bet.
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's
I was going to post the lot but here is the link http://www.trials.com.au/content/index.php...t&Itemid=38 Have a look .
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's
Yes Check out Daves Blog, I do weekly and some times daily , It is better than a reference library, with pictures, I get loads of tips from it.Thanks Dave and engineer Pete. PS Good luck with the engine this time.
Regards Charlie.
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Hi Guy's
This is the mail address you need, http://www.burlen.co.uk/ Always found them to be more than helpfull.
Regards Charlie.
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