Charlie Prescott:

Yes - I tend to agree with you. And we intend to look across all classes.

BUT - the problem is ( and always seems to have been) trying to cater for all in what was initially a Classic or actually PRE 65 BRITISH series.

As stated clearly above we intend to review the whole think toward the end of 2015 , and those with definite views on what classes should be now have plenty of chance to post on this site and see if they can get some agreement, and we can take note

However - please remember while I am Chairman of T & E , I am one voice and we are a total of 8 and these must all have a say and will no doubt, like all the contributors to these posts have different views. This is as it should be, and I hope always will be.

It would actually be a pretty boring world if we all thought the same

One of my own personnel opinions is that it cannot be logical that people can compete on highly modified Spanish/ Italian bikes ( and I am a Bultaco arch enthusiast of 40 plus years) but if someone takes a Chinese engine ( God forbid) and makes something around it - then it is not OK

We need to sort some classes to take account of this

However, unfortunately what often happens, is people make or buy a bike - and I have already said I applaud innovation - but then expect classes to be altered to cater for them . The correct method would probably be to look at classes first and proceed from there, or try to persuade us and everyone that classes should be altered well before a season staerts

Classic Trials are not alone in this dilema. KTM produced an excellent 144cc Enduro bike. So did TM

There was no class in any British Enduro Championship for those who bought them to ride it in - they had a bike they could not ride, at least not in Championships, and while we have now eventually altered classes to allow them in, it was once again wrong way round. Indeed in European and World Enduro inc Indoor Enduro there is still no class/no ride for a 144cc machine

So, message is really, yes things have to be looked at but cart before horse rarely works out for anyone

This subject reminds me of a saying that always tickles me...Just because a dog is born in a stable, doesn t make it an horse....

Or "it's only the hairs on a gooseberry that stop it from being a grape". Or more appropriately for the subject of the post "you cant polish a turd"

"you cant polish a turd"

But you can roll it in glitter

Edited April 3, 201511 yr by suzuki250

I darent ask

charlie i have followed this topic with intrest and regulary check out the otter bsa website as i find it very informative and a good read, as far as the super cub go s i think its a great bike especilly the john bliss version , would love one myself.

can see your reason behind it and why youre so passionate about it but why get so hung up about it being a classic trials bike or being eligable in classic trials?

just enjoy it in club trials or twinshock class

Jon Bliss knew he was taking the p*** when he built the bike. He deliberately went out to create something that looks even on a dark night like NOTHING ever sold

I'm a regular contributor to this website and writer of the Centrally Speaking column and with 52 years of trials experience, consider that i have a good idea of what's right and more importantly what is not right. I'm also on the Trials and Enduro Committee but a newcomer this year and I'm just finding my feet. Let me tell you that it's amazing the number of e-mails that have circulated about the Sammy Miller series and the eventual introduction of the Non Championship class and more recently a protest following the Golden Valley event.

 

The Non Championship class was intended to allow anyone with a bike that was so obviously NOT at the real heart of the series to have a class in which to compete. So when Jon chose to enter in the class he thought he should be in, rather than the class created specifically for the style of machine that he choses to ride, it should be obvious that he would be moved out of his chosen class into the correct one. If there was no Non Championship class, then in my opinion an organiser would have been perfectly in the right to refuse him a start as the machine did not comply with the spirit of the regulations. That there is now a class - allbeit Non Championship - gives Jon and others an event to ride, in which they can compare their performance with the results of others on machines that are to the spirit of the regulations.

 

As John Collins has said, there is an intention to review the whole set of Sammy Miller regulations for 2016, and whilst I can't even begin to think or say what form those regulations will take, I do know that when they are drafted in committee, the intention will be to satisfy everybody's opinions, though inevitably somebody will have a different view.

 

Perhaps this is a good time to point out that the Trials and Enduro Committee is not a group of 8 persons with no knowledge of the sport. Three of us are current trials riders, three of us have been competitive enduro riders, four of us currently organise major events and all eight at some time or another have been event secretaries or otherwise have been involved in the organisation of the sport. So it's not a bunch of dummies trying their best to formulate rules and run the sport. And also bear in mind that the current Chairman of the ACU as a whole, has been a factory supported trials rider, a multiple centre trials champion, a national trial winner, a member of the British ISDE team and a very respected organiser of centre trials, British Championship enduros and British Championship motocross.

 

I think the trials and enduro side of the sport is in good hands. It's easy to knock the ACU but as a whole the organisation does very well to manage such a diverse sport.

 

Mike Rapley

Regs are available for the Sam Cooper Union Jack round of the Sammy Miller Classic series from the Stratford-Upon-Avon MCC webs site.

 

http://www.stratford-upon-avonmcc.org.uk/

 

Riders of specials, trail bikes, aircooled monos and even modern machines are most welcome to enter in the non championship class.

 

The route covers 30 sections around a 26 mile route on the Cotswold Hills above the Vale of Evesham and has a new start venue at the Cotswold Farm shop and Cafe.

 

Pete

So, how come Dougie Lampkin's Vertigo can enter the Scottish 6 day, and the World Championship etc etc when it is only now going into production?

 

Not sure I understand this at all, why at the top of the sport you can ride a bike not yet in production but Cotswold Cubs are banned from the Sammy Miller championship.

Hi Guy's.

 

Hi Ken,

 

It is the old adage, that If you have a name like DL or SM at the time you make your own rules in the sport. and no one takes a hoot,

 

Because it is good for the sport to have these names caring???? and they are not doing it for financial gain?

 

The big mistake with my "MiniOtter" SCT, was that I did not have a life sized poster of these two made and place it behind my bike when I brought it to light. and first photographed it.

 

There would have been NO problem then. and we would have had a cheap little Classic style bike to have fun on.

 

Regards Charlie.

 

Edited July 1, 201511 yr by charlie prescott

Hi Guy's.

 

Hi Ken,

 

It is the old adage, that If you have a name like DL or SM at the time you make your own rules in the sport. and know one takes a hout,

 

Because it is good for the sport to have these names caring???? and they are not doing it for financial gain?

 

The big mistake with my "MiniOtter" SCT, was that I did not have a life sized poster of these two made and place it behind my bike when I brought it to light. and first photographed it.

 

There would have been NO problem then. and we would have had a cheap little Classic bike to have fun on.

 

Regards Charlie.

Doubt very much SM would been seen dead on a bike made from Chinese bits  

 

And as pointed out it’s not really a cheap bike, when a decent twinshock could be purchased for less!

 

And who gave it classic status?

Oh and the topic has been bought back to life again.

Oh and the topic has been bought back to life again.

 

This thread will run for longer than a Chinese engine

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