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Link won't link? Can you help? Wayne

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It sounds like your bolts are miles away from lining up, so like Tony27 says, you're going to have to 're-structure' that bash plate first..good luck. I had the same problem with a previous bike and I had to take my plate to a engineering workshop with a press.

One for Copey: Aviation quotes; P = The problem logged by the pilot. S = The solution logged by the mechanic. P: Left inside main tire almost needs replacement. S: Almost replaced left inside main tire. P: Test flight OK, except auto-land very rough. S: Auto-land not installed on this aircraft. P: No. 2 propeller seeping prop fluid. S: No. 2 propeller seepage normal. Nos. 1, 3 and 4 propellers lack normal seepage. P: Something loose in cockpit. S: Something tightened in cockpit. P: Dead bugs on windshield. S: Live bugs on backorder. P: Autopilot in "altitude-hold" mode produces a 200-fpm descent. S: Cannot reproduce problem on ground. P: Evidence of leak on right main landing gear. S: Evidence removed. P: DME volume unbelievably loud. S: DME volume set to more believable level. P: Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick. S: That's what they're there for! P: Transponder inoperative. S: Transponder always inoperative in OFF mode. P: The T/C ball seemed stuck in the middle during my last turn. S: Congratulations! You've just made your first coordinated turn. P: Suspected crack in windscreen. S: Suspect you're right. P: Number 3 engine missing. S: Engine found on right wing after brief search. P: Aircraft handles funny. S: Aircraft warned to straighten up, fly right, and be serious. P: Radar hums. S: Reprogrammed radar with words. P: Mouse in cockpit. S: Cat installed. P: Radio switches stick S: Peanut butter no longer served to flight crew P: Screaming sound in cabin at start-up S: Company accountant deplaned P: Funny smell in cockpit S: Pilot told to change cologne P: Aircraft 2,400 lbs over max weight S: Aircraft put on diet of 92 octane P: #3 engine knocks at idle S: #3 engine let in for a few beers P: #3 engine runs like it's sick S: #3 engine diagnosed with hangover P: Brakes howl on application S: Don't step on 'em so hard! P: Radio sounds like a squealing pig S: Removed pig from radio. BBQ behind hangar tomorrow P: First class cabin floor has a squeak S: Co-pilot told not to play with toddler toys in cabin anymore P: Electrical governor is broke S: Paid off governor's debt to Jimmy "The Fish" Galvano P: Air conditioning motor makes a loud squeal like my mother-in-law. S: recommend divorce

Great posts, thank you fellas....more

Should be a tough game...for the ref. Man U have this ethos that no-one should be allowed to tackle them the way they tackle others...and Barca love a bit of pantomime theatrics

Your missus is a gem... Nice green cake but those brown bits?.. Did you get a puppy for your Birthday as well?

They were never that hot, even in their heyday ( is that you Cope at No. 69?) In direct sunlight: anything up to 120c and in the shade : anything down to -270c

So it's a density/volume/ energy conundrum? Er..so we are we talking about 'high specific impulse' values of propellants? I was more inclined to think that suitable insulation of the cryogen from those 5 mighty F-1 torches was the main reason? as RP-1 (Kerosene) has a much higher boil-off point than liquid hydrogen. I always thought liquid methane was the boyo !... but what do I know?

Right?..so it's just a payload/weight issue....I see...I think ? ?

Any of you fellas know why the first stage F-1s on the Saturn V was kerosene fuelled but the other J-2 stages were Hydrogen fuelled? Just wondering? ...keep it simple

Good pics P A..Thank you

I think I can answer my own question about the Saturn V taking it's own weight standing up I remember asking about the sequence for blowing the hold down arms and umbilical release.... and I was told that the Saturn V is actually 'riveted' to the launch platform by 4 large 'soft-iron ' bolts. The heads of those rivets get extruded as the rocket lifts (something to do with damping down the initial exhaust thrust resonance?? ) So it must take it's own weight ...and then some?

I've only got holiday vhs (no stills)of KSC, so I'm gonna check?

Bliss ! I bet I still would five a hillclimb in Florida It's flatter than Holland.

I don't think you're wrong here Cope ! I can't do the math but here is my doofus logic : If the bell nozzles couldn't take the weight of the launch vehicle then how can they be stood on end in the Rocket Garden? I admit they are unfuelled? http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/rocket-garden.aspx

Taking the wife to KSC was a no,no....I was ready to risk a divorce just to stay longer. The kids were happy enough with the 'hands-on-displays/ meet an astronaut/rocket garden' , but I'm such an anorak I could have sat through all of the mini-lectures and Q+A sessions. There was so much to take in, on such a large scale. I think the future looks pretty bleak for KSC now that the main attraction (STS) has been canned Whilst I'm in awe of the science,technology and logistics involved, I am stunned by the bravery involved in this (despite all the counter-claims) very risky business. E.G. What must it have been like re-entering the atmosphere in a tiny,tiny capsule ?..all that noise and heat in close proximity to your backside...anyway how come it flies blunt end (heat-shield)first,why wouldn't it flip round? The details of the Gus Grissom (RIP)Apollo launch-pad fire are barely re-printable, whilst NASA tried to downplay the horror of the incident, we know that a pressured o2 line was severed and ignited, lashing around like a light-sabre.Gus and his crew had nowhere to run! Anyone who's ever used an oxy-acetylene torch will know what that could do to human flesh. (Did I mention )The fact that the whole STS assembly rocks away then back to vertical (after ignition) at launch so the bolts only have a window of micro-seconds to release at the correct moment!! The fact that once lit those SRBs ( just big fireworks !) can't be turned off !! Although their fuel is packed so that at max dynamic pressure they do throttle back...a bit !! Speaking of which, at about T+ 1 min SSMEs and SRBs are throttled back so that the shuttle doesn't rip itself apart(!!) because the atmosphere is still too dense for full speed. Launch vehicles that would take at least 10 mins to exit ,on the pad,in an emergency !! I won't even go into failed o-rings/insulation tiles/ water suppression to stop the launch pad and launch vehicle from accoustic damage. I always wanted to be an astronaut but a trip to Kennedy frightened me out of that.I haven't got the brains and certainly don't have the bottle ! Tim, Thanks for the opportunity to waffle. Wayne

I think were at cross purposes here Tim, Regenerative Cooling is the name for the LOX cooling. I think the second video I used was mis-leading...this is the scary bending effect I was talking about ( I know it's a simulation but I can't find any NASA footage) Wayne

I often used to wonder how come the thrust nozzles didn't melt? I'm still amazed that regenerative cooling works when there is such intense heat involved? Everything (Orbiter/tank/boosters) bends at start up throttle then comes back to vertical before they (blow the bolts)let the handbrake off. Watch the tail fin at 16 to 19 seconds. The bell nozzle ridges also have to flex ! Real P-O-W-E-R !

You been watching the X-Files again?

Zippy, my guess is, that your U S Marines did a recce of that kerb first to evaluate their deployment tactics. With our draconian defence cuts we have no such luxuries:

I don't mean to subvert the reason behind your original post on the Apollo missions but I have a real problem with the 'Master-race's' Nazi representative; SS Sturmbannf

Man, you're rich.

The old ones are the best.

We don't care if it's mangey..it's your property not theirs. I hope it turns up, you never know?....the police return some stolen property to my familys' business after being reported stolen 12 years ago!