This is one event that will never go stop allowed, its never been stop allowed even when the world championship was. Tradition. The only two options are accept that brief stops are now the norm, or reinforce the rules to riders and observers that no stops will be tolerated. I don't think it's that confusing, or making up of the rules. Stop isnt allowed, but slowly over the years longer and longer stops have been tolerated. This isnt specific to the ssdt, IMO this is standard practice from club trials right up to the world championship before it returned to stop allowed.
i think youll find the ssdt did go stop allowed 1990s and what a farce causing entery dropped off , to see a farce ---- jake millers chain comes off in a section on the nevis bikes wedged on a rock he then gets his chain back on without getting off the bike then off he sets up the section again ! That year there was just about delay on every section due to riders stopping and hopping causing ques
I've watched a lot of SSDT video and virtually every rider is making momentary stops. Giving them all a 5 would ruin the event because there would be no difference in score between a good performance and a total failure. I think nearly all riders, observers and spectators understand the difference between those marginal stops and a failure that should be marked a 5.
not a dig about ssdt but this is a big problem with all non stop trials ! if the riders were given the score 5 not let off for momentary stops & hops yes a lot of 5s BUT The sections might not be getting as daft .WHY ? because clerks of the course would know that that section was to tight /hard but he sees people with cleans 1s+2s because they have not been marked too harsh / allowed to stop & hop . so what happens --- clerk of the course thinks that section was ok so we can make it a bit harder and tighter next time resulting in more stopping and hopping , so what happens with the riders that try hard to non stop they struggle
Now I understand it, because it makes perfect sense. I understand that the sensor (since I don't have another one to test) if I measure the resistance as specified in the manual, I can know if it is defective, right? Can you think of another test to find out if that is the fault without changing the sensor for another one? thank you very much for helping me.
im sorry i dont have any test info on what to do i just change them i know thats not the best way to fix or fault find but as i keep most electrical items on hand saves time and ease ,
as i say its more than just a fan switch that is why you can not short it out like beta gas gas ect to run the fan if it fails
good morning. thanks for answering. I don't understand what you mean when you say that it acts as a choke. Could you expand a little more information? When the motorcycle makes these explosions and the idle fails, I notice a lot of gasoline smell, so I don't understand what you mean by that choke function of the temperature sensor, but it could be related since when the motorcycle fails the common pattern is that the fan never stops and the engine temperature, however, is normal because I have measured it. I mean there is no over temperature.
23 minutes ago, IBA4rt said:
good morning. thanks for answering. I don't understand what you mean when you say that it acts as a choke. Could you expand a little more information? When the motorcycle makes these explosions and the idle fails, I notice a lot of gasoline smell, so I don't understand what you mean by that choke function of the temperature sensor, but it could be related since when the motorcycle fails the common pattern is that the fan never stops and the engine temperature, however, is normal because I have measured it. I mean there is no over temperature.
there is no physical choke on the bike so the temp sender has a bimetallic strip that sends signal to ecu to make fuelling richer for cold starting and a signal to the fan relay...... then once hot normal fuelling takes over ( thats why it best to let them warm up before riding ) so when the temp sender fails it sends a false signal to the ecu causing the ecu fuelling to be out of sink with throttle setting ie twist grip + butterfly
I recovered the post although I considered my problem solved after changing the fuel, which I had published in another thread, I have managed to isolate it and the closest thing I have found is what is proposed in this thread. My 301 starts well when cold and starts well when hot. After doing several tests, regulating idle speed, restarting the ecu, checking possible engine air intakes, air filter... I have managed to detect the following: I start the bike and after having adjusted the idle speed to around 1800 rpm, I let the bike warm up at idle until the first fan starts. I start using the motorcycle and it runs perfectly, the fan activates in alternating cycles with rest. But always, after 30 minutes of using the motorcycle, the revolutions begin to drop and fluctuate when you release the gas. When this happens, it lets out a sputter through the exhaust as if there were an ignition problem. If it accelerates it works perfectly until you release the gas and this malfunction begins. When it gets to this point it smells a lot like gasoline and the fan never stops. If you stop the engine, it starts fine again but starts failing again. The engine is allowed to cool for at least an hour and both the engine and the fan return to normal operation until about 20 or 30 minutes pass again, at which point it begins to fail again. I don't understand what's happening. I think that something electrical fails when it reaches a high enough temperature but I can't detect what it is.
ive found that a faulty temp sender in radiator causes this fault as the sender is not just the sender its also the choke .A faulty one puts choke on/off at will . The feel you get riding the bike is the motor dose something different to what your doing to the throttle hope this helps
hi , there was a lad i knew with much the same problem he used a set of cow horn / steel bars that he got bent to be comfortable for him to use , just giving you another option to try hope it helps
hi IMHO could be two things as you say fluid is good / lever feel is solid
1 id be looking towards a replace the front disk/rota (on a 3yr old bike) the disc always gets over looked but it wears as well the disc will have wear limit printed on it but take a good look at the surface of disc
2 are the pads binding in the calliper
just a thought.. whats front wheel bearings like and is disc straight both could push pads away from disc
You do not sat during the scottish! D. Lampkin is tall too. Maybe we should change triala bikes to endueo specs. LOL.
so what about all the road mileage then ? at the ssdt or people should get the correct bike for the job a trIals for trials and a trAil bike for trail, riding, simple really how a spelling mistake of A and I changes what a bikes for !
Thats kind of what the goal of non stop was. Except it never really lowered the level that much, and after a very short period of time we were back to brief stop allowed. As for the results, they would still be bou busto raga 1,2,3 🤣
as i say any little mistake would be very costly to any one of them three & with young guns snapping at there heals who knows. Its strange when world round riders come to the SSDT they dont do as well as they expect and the sections are not as hard as world round ones !
If they want to use stop reverse rules why not do away with 3s so 0,1,2,5 makes sense as they can stop and balance move the bike to were they want it .& Change the name from world trials to world tricks Strange I always thought trials was about skill and precision nope get it wrong reverse have another go . If world trials wants to grow it needs to encourage riders to enter and NOT make it even more of a elitist sport .Yes funds plays a very big part in it but if all eyes are on the top GP riders what happens to the rest ? will a sponsor look at the top riders or the also rans ? so making it even more elitist , Here is a real novel thought do away with GP class everyone rides trial 2 course what would the results show then makes you think (why do i say that well any little mistake will be very costly )
Well im so glad to see the FIM putting the death nail into GP trials and will the ACU follow ? why you ask well if you dont know FIM are going back in time to a time when trials nearly died off by bringing in stop reverse rules in, with only 10 riders in the GP class and world trials rounds having to go to multi class !! to get the numbers to make it worth while to run ,HOW will this help to get riders to these events its just making the gap even bigger , I Ask will the ACU follow as british championship class only 7 and out of 7, 1 rider only rode 1 event so really 6 riders, and before you say we want see riders tested ! with but who really benefits from this it will be the 1or2 riders who can do it now with ease while the rest all play catch up . So is it reverse rules or paint a door and watch it dry ? as trials die again
As a rider i have been on observer duty due to injury .. It opened my eyes to why observers are a rare and people just dont want to do it
this is what i took away from the experience
1 first you got to find your section ----- go to them trees its on the left (im in a wood !) lol
2 then spend 1/2 hour to sort out were the section goes (,on the 4 courses in a sea of flags ! ) (hard ,clubman A,B , easy ,youth /beginner
3 have to tell the riders were they are going ----over and over lol
4,make calls on no-stop when the section is marked out far to tight to ride it non-stop
5 trying to make out riding numbers because riders dont have number boards but tape the number to the small head light for it only to be coved in mud and wet
6 stand around waiting for the few experts that have to hang back all day !!
7 pick riders up after they fail a section as some dont do anything apart from look around to see whos going to help them !
8 if you think you need it take it with as you just can not pop back to the car for it such a novice mistake !!!!!!
9 pick which rider goes when theres more than 1 group ( due to how the section is flagged after the begins cards some go right some go left )
So a very big thank you to all observers for putting up with this week in week out in all weathers you are true heroes ,
why go to all the work of melting gluing etc or cost . just put a plastic tube ( to length) on the top of the inside of the slide with cable running through it to stop the slide moving so far up and then you can cut it down as and when more throttle is wanted or remove it for full throttle
No, I'm not riding with a full-face helmet at the moment. Although it was something grumbling away at the back of my mind, it only came to the forefront after seeing Marcelli's crash (and hearing the noises he made immediately afterwards!). As there are currently open-face helmets that are supposedly designed specifically for trials, I think maybe it would require a combination of the features that make a "trials helmet" with the face protection of a motocross or enduro helmet. It's interesting though that turbofurball wears an enduro helmet for trials without a problem. The proof of the pudding .......
Getting a face guard caught on a branch? Like you could get the opening of an open-face helmet caught on a branch/
what next should we wear goggles just in case a lanyard kill switch flicks off and hits you in the eye were dose it all end ? as i said theres NOTHING stopping anyone riding in enduro or mx helmets at trials but very few do why is that ? any top riders wear them in trials ? riders use and wear what works for them
Are you riding now with a full face helmet ? if not why not, if there so safe !. Just maybe there not so safe for trials due to you might get face guard caught on a branch not the best for the neck ? couple of cuts is better than a broken neck. There is no restriction on wearing a full face/guard helmet now for trials in the ACU rules only rule is no chin straps If people have concern for there safety its up to them to take precautions themselves or should they be asking themselves is COMPETITIVE trials the sport for me .
i think in the medium term (a month or two) this will bed down and we'll get our head around it and some of the benifits of new funcationaly may pay off, i just feel we (as organsiers and riders) have got to get some events under our belt to findout how it works
we dont have a month or two do we ? as ALL trials memberships run out on the 31st dec ! so how do we get a few events under our belt if you can NOT get a licence to enter said events ? as for functionality if the members can not work it ? i wonder how much its cost the ACU no sorry us the members for a system thats not fit for purpose !
Do a reset first. Hold throttle all the way open, without releasing kick it twice.
Close throttle and start the bike. No throttle and let it run for a whole minute before you twist the throttle.
If that does not work adjust the throttle body one full turn counter clockwise. Try again, no throttle.
Good Luck.
reset what ? throttle open no fuel = need free play in cable, so all your doing is clearing the bore out with air so hardly a reset is it as, ive been on them 12 yr and have not found what it resets please tell me
There's only a handful of people in the whole world who can ride to that level, and they practice full time - I'm happy to just squeeze a bike through places where an enduro bike won't fit, (which is a lot of tracks around here, lol)
are we talking trial or trail riding here ? as i or a = makes a lot of difference on bike set up and how you ride
Ethanol isn't a vegetable based oil it's a distillate of fermented vegetable matter.
is it made from a vegetable (corn ) yes or no? if my bikes run clean ,crisp ,cooler and with no detonation ill keep running without it in my fuel thanks as i said my 10p worth
heres my 10p worth E5/E10 might be fine in a car/ grass cutter etc any 4 stroke for that matter BUT a 2 stroke is a fuel oil mix ,using mineral /synthetic oil nether will mix with a vegetable based oil FACT and as ethornal is vegetable (corn) based this might be a problem ? if its not a problem for you or you dont mind spending £30 for aspen or race fuel ? crack on ! But i think i will carry on removing it at a cost of 0£s just 10 mins of my time,Ive found both my bikes run better with it removed !
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i think youll find the ssdt did go stop allowed 1990s and what a farce causing entery dropped off , to see a farce ---- jake millers chain comes off in a section on the nevis bikes wedged on a rock he then gets his chain back on without getting off the bike then off he sets up the section again ! That year there was just about delay on every section due to riders stopping and hopping causing ques