Barry just emailed me now and said all is off
Surely there must be open parks or woods we can ride in...
I am from South Africa and it is a different ball game there..
there are but not that close to london. Wait a month and everything could change?
An update on my experiences so far. Had an afternoon's riding with my local club. I tried starting a 280 GP fitted with a low comp head today, both times I tried, I started it second kick, even with my dodgy right knee. The bike was much easier to start than my standard 300.
Three guys rode my bike and all agreed it's hard to start. They all also said that the low down power was nice and 'torquey' but when you need a quick blip of power it comes in so strong it's a bit of a battle to control it. No one liked my clutch either, saying it was either on or off.
In comparison when I rode the 280 it felt like it had instant power but the power wasn't over powering like it is on the 300. I felt like I could 'boss' the 280 much more than the 300.
Its definately the set up you have, I had 290's and 300s for years thought that was best but a 250 does everything you need if youre not wtc.
Oddly I put a high compression insert on my 250, but I just could not get my head around how easy my friends 2014 280 txt starts, he tells me it’s got a low compression insert in it, the only gutter is the newer bikes you have to buy a S3 head as well, earlier bikes Have a two piece head allowing just a insert purchase. I bought mine from Splatshop.co.Uk the two brothers that run it are really helpful and extremely efficient.
if you can spare £60 I highly recommend it, My right leg has had a beating over the years, I’ve snapped all the ligaments and tendons on different occasions in that leg, so I know what your going through. I’ve broken my back, hospital for three months, then at home in a body cast, All I could think about whilst learning to walk again was what bike am I going to get, I feel if your riding a bike thinking it’s going to hurt you, then it’s definitely time to change it or possibly time to hang your boots up.
Ok All lost marks and wanted it harder ! "all my long years trialing will never understand that " loose marks your NOT good enough to clean that section so the section was more than hard enough for you .!
You really dont understand that do you?
(Look back at British Championship events in the golden age of the 70's marks lost then were usually nearer a 100)
so with that thinking set the trial for 1 man /woman and forget about the rest of the entry
no, 3 routes try to set a course to suit each level and get a winner
so your saying the level is not set correctly due to having the second course ?
No, im answering your point where you said the courses were eased for clubman. Many trials i ride have 4 routes
have these riders both rode BTC /elite riders ?
You're commenting on BTC and you dont know these twos palmares?
well the alternative is not bother to go and watch which seems to be the case ,
Again, seems to be, how many btc's or wtc's have you seen 18/19?
did I bring TV up no I DID NOT !
As for the top riders wanting hard sections to be pushed to there limit for the good and benefit of the sport ? Who mentioned limit? I feel its more good and benefit to there pocket wage/sponsorship as hard sections few can ride keep there advantage going Their pockets arent filling up with sponsorship money for sure, and the severity would make no difference to that anyway.
im done here you are not listening, read back your previous post where you mentioned BGT on a saturday night, you did mention tv.
Personally i don't think they are worth the price difference. Ever since they did away with the std txt and the racing became the new standard (now with reiger and keihin) I think this bike is already more than adequate for 95% of the entry. Ive had 4 racings, never a GP, but whenever i rode a GP i couldn't tell the difference. If im right in thinking who bumpy _ltd is, he's a good enough rider to warrant the gp, but if you're the average club rider theres a good chance you won't be able to tell the difference. If you have the money, by all means go for it, but if you're tight for money, i would pass. The airbox is really just bling, the racing forks and reiger suspension are already great, and things like bars and pegs are a cheap upgrade to a racing if you feel you need them (personally ive never liked renthals flat bend).
what is worth it? If you want the best bike or car then thats what you want, does it save you any marks, probably not but thats not why you want it? By the same rule no manufacturer would ever produce an enhanced model, but they all do. You pays your money and you takes your choice (sic)
No one has said it works well or a winning formula, its a compromise and simply the hardest route for the best riders, several have tried respectfully to explain this but just cos you disagree doesn't mean youre right? Decreasing the severity will not increase overall participation by one rider afaik, who would jump up from the second route and would the top WTC lads just not bother with the BTC that was dead easy?
Can trials survive without an elite class, of course it can. Is it good for the sport to have a world and British elite class, well yes. Many in the sport or business want it.
My biggest objection to your point and dismissal of the BTC or WTC is that if anyone is ever good enough aren't they entitled (pun intended) to have a crack at the best and see if they can ride at a level 99.99% of us can only dream of, and who would want to stop them in our sport?
So decreasing severity will not increase participation ?
Absolutely not at BTC and WTC bothe series try to maintain severity so people at the top lose marks.
so why have we had to do we do it at club level with all the courses ?
You dont if the level is set correctly
well some of these riders are happy to go and ride a national & as you point out whos going to jump up from the second route well why bother to run the second route then ?
Because the severity is set for that level of rider, or that type of rider Ross Danby and Sam Haslam for instance.
,If these are the "elite riders" they will win no matter what hard or easy what is the point of the sport getting to the point were 99.99% do not even relate to it any more if you want to see them do all the tricks go to the circus or watch them on saturday night prime tv BGT !
You are making a leap from being able to ride something hard to not being interested in watching it. As illustrated above thats just not logical. BTC at the rounds Ive been to recently a fair few spectators. Its clearly not for everyone but whats the alternative?
8 hours ago, on it said:
well i would say yes why not i would give it a go might be better than whats on TV NOW bit like the BTC & WTC wont know till you give it a try
Were not discussing TV are we, that was an analogy.
After reading replies I stand corrected about easing the BRITISH TRIALS CHAMPIONSHIP course,as pointed out " its the blue ribbon of trials, the riders need pushing to there limit , we DO have national trials to get riders to a level to ride BTC We need hard events were the elite riders in the country get to show there skills off to joe public and these riders need pushing if there going to make it on the world stage "!. SO by all means keep the British Trials Championship Hard for a elite group of 6 or so riders im sure its a winning formula ! as its working so well at WTC what can go wrong . Time to bust some peoples bubble trials can survive without the elite riders
No one has said it works well or a winning formula, its a compromise and simply the hardest route for the best riders, several have tried respectfully to explain this but just cos you disagree doesn't mean youre right? Decreasing the severity will not increase overall participation by one rider afaik, who would jump up from the second route and would the top WTC lads just not bother with the BTC that was dead easy?
Can trials survive without an elite class, of course it can. Is it good for the sport to have a world and British elite class, well yes. Many in the sport or business want it.
My biggest objection to your point and dismissal of the BTC or WTC is that if anyone is ever good enough aren't they entitled (pun intended) to have a crack at the best and see if they can ride at a level 99.99% of us can only dream of, and who would want to stop them in our sport?
British championship what a joke multi class/multi course "quick fix" NEVER work because the jump between the courses is far to much ( you can see this at club trials) with sections very few can ride there never will be a big entry for it ,so when 6 riders YES six dont turn up it turns into a farce with 1 rider so even without the covid excuse there would only been 7 so do these 7 really need there own course why not ease the sections drop them all on i 1 course and get a true trials champion what have you got to lose as the top class at btc can not go on like this
There will never be a big entry because only a few can ride it. Havent you answered your own question?
Gentlemen, I think that there have been some very good points raised in these posts. The main one being that the consensus of human beings act like sheep and need to be led, they have little by way of common sense demonstrated by their Lemming like behaviour when the sun (thats the sun in the universe and not the tabloid paper) appears, or head to the pubs and restaurants. Lock down was too late, borders were closed too late, NHS support and Care Homes support came too late, our doctors and nurses and front liners support came woefully late....but then now we know what we need to do people still insist on ignoring the developing advice to avoid wreaking Covid-havoc any further. Dominic Cummings actions beggars belief and I am surprised he remains as an advisor...on what I dread to think.
I truly am in awe of anyone suffering with Cancer and also of the families and friends dealing with the outcomes and expectations. But its not a virus unlike Covid which coincidentally was on the lists of some disinfectant sprays ‘before’ the break out occurred!
By comparison to what clubs running trials are suggesting it should be no more threatening than visiting the supermarket for essential shopping. Browsing in small crowded shops is asking for trouble. An arena trial no way, but outside in the free air...not re breathed other peoples air...far safer, provided common sense rules are followed.
Having a go at each other is not productive and in this case has created a negative impression about trials....shake hands and move on with positive ideas for all to consider to keep trials alive and to help our mental welfare and to think of somethings other than negativity.?
Good thoughts and words.
(As an aside the term "lemmings" is often misused, they are a migratory species who simply follow their instincts, not each other)
I agree we CAN trial outside with the usual precautions but we should be very careful when doing so, and measure the risks.
And there you are the insult, I think your dummy is in the corner
Life is about perception, yours is different from mine
Life is not about perception if you surround yourself with people and friends exactly the same as you. This is how racists are bred and people say things about others they know nothing about with little thought for those less fortunate than themselves through no fault of their own.
Clearly you are wrong about covid as despite advice and guidence from the government the fact they didnt make rules and regulations early enough, just advice, restrictrictions and quarrentine, track and trace etc resulted in the general population doing things other than responsible actions you think they might or taking simple advice. in fact probably the best example is Dominic Cummings visit to barnard Castle to test his eyes for an hour with his baby in the car. 65,000 excess deaths say the opposite - people need to be told what to do and this needed to be enforced. Cheltenham and the madrid liverpool football games reinforce the stupidity of people who never think of the bigger picture or act responsibly, as you suggest they should.
What one American once suing macdonalds has got to do with trials is another analaogy which is way off.
we have a great sport, supported by older and sometimes underlying health conditions, which was my original point. We need to be responsible with their health and not to take unnecessary risks imho.
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there are but not that close to london. Wait a month and everything could change?