Ebay Honda gone up to

The reason for the bikes price increase is so mike can tell his missus "no one is interested at the momement my dear no bidders, oh well i will just have to keep them another year!!!"

C'mon Big John,

Help us ignorant folks out.

I'm personally trying to catch up on 30 years of

Honda Trials stuff I never knew exhisted until a

couple years ago. The internet IS good for something!

Is that a short stroke 305?

hattori's bike has been stored in the dholda shop until it's restoration last year, but not to be used in trials again, ...they said

T F Tim, RS-time -till'83, was before HRC existed, the bikes were made at the Racig Service Center Corporation

Yeah, when googling for a pic of what I remembered the RS200 to be I was reminded of HRCs predecessor. Couldn't find the pic though.

Big John, I'd settle for a real Rothmans RTL!

BTW who can remember that French site for the guy with all the Honda works bikes?

Hard to tell whether that is the short stroke 305 or the full 360 but for sure - I'd settle for either

Be interesting to know what the 305/360 short stroke engine was derived from as it doesn't have the deep sump of the TL/XL earlier motors and also has that high gear shaft

Edited September 19, 200619 yr by Woody

hattori's bike has been stored in the dholda shop until it's restoration last year, but not to be used in trials again, ...they said

Where's that then - Dholda?

Be interesting to know what the 305/360 short stroke engine was derived from as it doesn't have the deep sump of the TL/XL earlier motors and also has that high gear shaft

It was designed specifically for trials. Sammy said they needed a shorter motor and a few months later the short stroke appeared.

jean D'HOLlander had a honDA shop in belgium. he was mainly involved in endurance races, but he did some tuning on lejeune and hattori's bikes

http://www.dholda.be/uk/historie/historie.html

Edited September 20, 200619 yr by tlrs

TFT, possible one of these?

http://rtlr.club.free.fr/

http://tl.125.free.fr/TL125-Accueil.htm

Be interesting to know what the 305/360 short stroke engine was derived from as it doesn't have the deep sump of the TL/XL earlier motors and also has that high gear shaft

It was designed specifically for trials. Sammy said they needed a shorter motor and a few months later the short stroke appeared.

Trouble was, he wanted a shorter, in height, version of the long stroke........ It seems most of the UK Honda riders preferred the older long stroke with just Nick Jefferies preferring the short stroke. I'd like to have any of them.

The bike in the first link from tlrs is one of Lejeunes old bikes, now owned by Jean Calliou

Edited September 20, 200619 yr by Woody

Yep must agree BJ,

No matter how many times this subject crops up it always stirs up a lot of interest probably because there is that element of myth surrounding all the works Honda trials bikes, everybody adds their bit most of which is hearsay no disrespect to anyone I'm as guilty as anyone for adding my 2 pennies worth, its a bit like a jigsaw with some of the pieces missing.But if you were around to witness the likes of Rob, Hattori, Eddy and Steve ride these wonderfull machines or have ever been lucky enough to own an RTL or any model for that matter it gets into your blood and I honestly don't know any other bike that has this effect on so many people.

Or am I just crackers?

There is a certain mystique about Honda trials bikes in the same way 7R AJS's and Manx Norton racers were sought after in their day!

Ah, but you can buy a Manx rep (made in Auckland). I wish we could buy RTL reps.

Prefer the 7R...

old memories, Big John knows a very old friend of my family and Scottish bike sport in general, Norrie Lamont. Norrie used to race 7Rs and won a manx TT race at some point in the distant past. As a youngster I remember being taken out one Saturday (mid/late 70's I suspect) to see this beast and then heading up the Fairlie Moor road to see it in action (our friends in blue were a little less conspicuous back then). All I can ever remember is the pace this thing went at and the noise, amazing...

Back to honda's it has been a love I've had since way back when, the TL 125's a local, Lex Allan had one bored out to 150cc and the frame altered to be more usable off road. From there through the one 's that Rob Shepard had, the Seeleys the TLRs and the RTL's. I got rid of mine for my own reasons but I'd have a Honda again in a shot....if she'd let me...