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Kawasaki got it right 'Let the good times roll'

like me

Just fitted one of the stators, and I seem to be getting a nice big spark! I’ll time it up tomorrow, hopefully it will run

I’ve just dug my Montesa vr250 out for a blast, only to find the motorplat stator has failed! I have a box full of motorplat stators but they all have an arrow pointing anti-clockwise, the montesa runs clock-wise! (would it still be possible to still use one?) Failing that has anyone ever used Bradford ignitions for a repair?

I’d use 40:1 that’s what I use in my beamish (Castrol TTS or Silkolene Comp2) but the subject is open to much debate! I've never had a problem or smoke @ 40:1 & my bore still looks like new

Nothing like a self ob trial for driving new riders away! Casual riders should have to provide an observer if they don’t have a licence Should riders expect someone else to do all the work all the time? Maybe the sport could do without those sort of riders?

It looks very much like a Suzuki beamish frame, so I guessing it’s a Whitlock frame? I would be interesting to know more about it, was it Alan Wright’s?

I think it should be compulsory for riders to observe 2 or 3 trials a year, if you don’t you should be refused a licence the following year & black listed Surely its not that much to ask riders, after all it keeps the sport going?

A few more pictures:

You need an SVA to manufacture, or an IVA inspection if you build your own, or low quantities but you can always do what technowaldo says suggests ...

Trailers now need to be SVA approved – if you build your own it will need a IVA inspection Thanks to the EU!

The G80 has to be one of the best sounding MX bike ever built, and that smell of Catrol R in the air! The first big bike I ever raced

You may also of coined the phrase pre65 but people were competing on classic bikes long before 1971 Have a look though some old 50’s Motor Cycle magazines, there are events for bikes manufactured before the war WW1 & WW2 And you can bet they had arguments about the bikes! You also posted a picture of a very nice rigid trials bike in an early pre65 meeting, this would not qualify for the original class. It has Renthal braced bars a modern twist grip & levers Also if you have a look at a few other photos, plenty of Renthal bars, marzocchi & NJB shocks around in the 90’s!!!!!!

Its a good book but £300..... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Greeves-all-offroad-road-and-roadracing-motorcycles-by-Collectors-Library-/321317235386#ht_24wt_918

I can assure you that most bikes used in pre65 in the 80's & 90's would not fit in the "Original" class as suggested greeves anglian, 4 speed bantams & Bantams with B175 engines......? I think it’s a nice idea, just don’t think it would work And most people seem to have as much fun as they did 15 years ago!!!!!! Note: If you fit billet yokes & trick forks, you may need to get some anti-depressants at the same time I've been warned by the godfather of pre65, So I’m saying nothing else on this thread!

Trailers now need to be SVA approved – if you build your own it will need a IVA inspection Thanks to the EU!

That’s all well and good, but even if only 6 bikes turn up, who could (or even want to ) scrutinise these bikes to component level What about bantams with 185cc engines with full billet cranks & Suzuki pistons / bikes with Carrillo rods, Electronic ignitions, hidden fork internals, modified gearboxes ect….. not easy to spot! What about the riders that are adamant that they are genuine, have a look at some past posts on sprites (yet another can of worms) I’ve made some titanium parts for a few people, that weigh next to nothing, could you spot these on a Sunday morning? The idea is nice but I’m afraid, its just a pipe dream, I think the horse bolted one this on in 1966?

I think people get too hung up on “what’s correct & genuine”, it doesn’t matter how many rules there are people will always bend them. It’s a fact of life! The vast majority of people who compete in pre65 enjoy it as it is Also what is an original pre65, and could you actually prove it to component level on a cold sunday morning? And who would scrutinise 40+ bikes before the trial Would Spanish machines be allowed, as they are genuine pre65? I think jonv8 is right, just ride the bikes you have

I enjoy doing a bit of observing, so I reckon everyone should have to observe 3 trials a year to be allowed to compete in pre65 this would do more for the sport than moaning about the bikes?

If you have a look though old threads, this subject has been done a million times, It’s one that will never be answered Most people enjoy the class they ride, so can’t see the reason to change Best thing to do is just ride ya bike and have some fun

The way we think about bikes and what we expect from them is totally different to 50 years ago, I doubt many people would actually want to ride a genuine pre65 bike I’ve rode a quite a few genuine pre65 bikes and the novelty soon wares off! But it would be good fun watching someone riding with Ensign trials tyres

531 is just a brand name, Its just a moly-chrome medium carbon steel so I would guess if its arc welded they would use a similar material for the flat and box section If you use a High tensile mig wire there should be no problems, as long as you don't chill the welds in a draft Or you could anneal the frame like Norton did with the works Manx’s

You shouldn’t have any problem mig welding 531, I would use a wire like E70S6 it will pretty much weld any steel. (E70S6 quite expensive about £40 for a small roll) But you shouldn’t have to much problem with standard wire