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The G80 has to be one of the best sounding MX bike ever built, and that smell of Catrol R in the air!
The first big bike I ever raced
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You may also of coined the phrase pre65 but people were competing on classic bikes long before 1971
Have a look though some old 50’s Motor Cycle magazines, there are events for bikes manufactured before the war WW1 & WW2
And you can bet they had arguments about the bikes!
You also posted a picture of a very nice rigid trials bike in an early pre65 meeting, this would not qualify for the original class. It has Renthal braced bars a modern twist grip & levers
Also if you have a look at a few other photos, plenty of Renthal bars, marzocchi & NJB shocks around in the 90’s!!!!!!
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Its a good book but £300.....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Greeves-all-offroad-road-and-roadracing-motorcycles-by-Collectors-Library-/321317235386#ht_24wt_918
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I can assure you that most bikes used in pre65 in the 80's & 90's would not fit in the "Original" class as suggested
greeves anglian, 4 speed bantams & Bantams with B175 engines......?
I think it’s a nice idea, just don’t think it would work
And most people seem to have as much fun as they did 15 years ago!!!!!!
Note: If you fit billet yokes & trick forks, you may need to get some anti-depressants at the same time
I've been warned by the godfather of pre65, So I’m saying nothing else on this thread!
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Trailers now need to be SVA approved – if you build your own it will need a IVA inspection
Thanks to the EU!
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That’s all well and good, but even if only 6 bikes turn up, who could (or even want to ) scrutinise these bikes to component level
What about bantams with 185cc engines with full billet cranks & Suzuki pistons / bikes with Carrillo rods, Electronic ignitions, hidden fork internals, modified gearboxes ect….. not easy to spot!
What about the riders that are adamant that they are genuine, have a look at some past posts on sprites (yet another can of worms)
I’ve made some titanium parts for a few people, that weigh next to nothing, could you spot these on a Sunday morning?
The idea is nice but I’m afraid, its just a pipe dream, I think the horse bolted one this on in 1966?
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I think people get too hung up on “what’s correct & genuine”, it doesn’t matter how many rules there are people will always bend them. It’s a fact of life!
The vast majority of people who compete in pre65 enjoy it as it is
Also what is an original pre65, and could you actually prove it to component level on a cold sunday morning?
And who would scrutinise 40+ bikes before the trial
Would Spanish machines be allowed, as they are genuine pre65?
I think jonv8 is right, just ride the bikes you have
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I enjoy doing a bit of observing, so I reckon everyone should have to observe 3 trials a year to be allowed to compete in pre65 this would do more for the sport than moaning about the bikes?
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If you have a look though old threads, this subject has been done a million times, It’s one that will never be answered
Most people enjoy the class they ride, so can’t see the reason to change
Best thing to do is just ride ya bike and have some fun
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The way we think about bikes and what we expect from them is totally different to 50 years ago, I doubt many people would actually want to ride a genuine pre65 bike
I’ve rode a quite a few genuine pre65 bikes and the novelty soon wares off!
But it would be good fun watching someone riding with Ensign trials tyres
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531 is just a brand name, Its just a moly-chrome medium carbon steel so I would guess if its arc welded they would use a similar material for the flat and box section
If you use a High tensile mig wire there should be no problems, as long as you don't chill the welds in a draft
Or you could anneal the frame like Norton did with the works Manx’s
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You shouldn’t have any problem mig welding 531, I would use a wire like E70S6 it will pretty much weld any steel.
(E70S6 quite expensive about £40 for a small roll)
But you shouldn’t have to much problem with standard wire
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How old are you, I guessing 14?????
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Excellent picture. Looks like they are enjoying a nice bit of sunshine as well
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Why do countless people moan about pre65 events and how they are no fun ect….. (I for one enjoy modern pre65 events MX & Trials)
Maybe the only people not having fun are the bigoted few?
It’s easy to criticise other peoples efforts and bikes, so why don’t all the whingers start a pure pre65 club or host event!
Actions speak louder than words
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He makes a good point. And riders must enjoy it as its never short on entries!
We live in a free society, anyone can organise a trial. So why not host a pure pre65 event, it would be more rewarding than belittling other peoples efforts
And why do people always knock modern specials, I for one get as much fun from building bikes as riding them
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If it was a private sale, its no longer your problem (as stated above)
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Give him chance, he’s cleaning his rose tinted glasses
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Re: Ask Greeves posts, What a rude bigoted person!
But that’s just my opinion, and I didn’t read it in Don Morley’s book
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Next you will be telling me Red Bull is not the same as Redex injector cleaner!
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that's a very nice bike, the frame is Similar to the Suzuki Beamish
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