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Yes common sense needs to prevail, however we all have to come to terms with the fact that; in the world of huge compensation claims, organisers must ensure that they provide a minimum duty of care to a set standard. Organisers need to be protected from posible law suits and carrying out proper RA goes a long way.

Strange that you dislike the Beta so much, you've just described a Sherco I once bought from new. I've had a number of Beta's and the only bad experience which I've had it with the Stators, mechanically everything else has been of a high standard in my opinion.... just don't trust the stators.

its more than .8 of a mm out tho, i measured it with a tap and the hitch is about 47mm? very weird, think ill buy a new hitch and try that, to be sure, thanks anyways OK, there's your problem. That means you have a 1 7/8 inch ball and you've probably got a hitch suitable for a 2 inch or a 50mm. I would think that a new ball is a lot cheaper than a new hitch, and is almost def easier to fit. Here's a link to demonstrate what I mean. Click here Good luck.

You've missed the point of this thread. Of course we all want good sections but it is also most important that the section is marked out clearly. The best section in a trial can be spoilt by riders/observers being confused by the marking out. Riders should be challenged by the terrain and not by their ability to go the right side of a badly positioned flag. This does seem to be a common opinion throughout this thread. If a rider goes the wrong side of an arrow, then they can't complain it's unclear. Imagine for a moment..... Drop down into a dark gully, slightly out of control, hard on the brakes and see a coloured square right infront of your wheel. Which side do you go? No time to look for the other marker. With an arrow it's clear.

I have a feeling you can get hitches (and tow balls) in either 50 mm (metric) or 2 inch (imperial). 2 inch i= 50.8mm which may be why you are having trouble.

Just on the off chance that anyone has any experience with EC200 (2005) suspension set up. A friend of mine is having trouble with his 200, he is being thrown out of the seat on double (or more) bumps as the suspenson isn't reacting fast enough, he is only 10 stone and despite having the suspension set soft, he feel s that it is still too hard however the front forks now bottom out. As he races in Enduro's, there are some jumps but not big ones as in MX, but jumps aren't really the problem, its mulitple bumps where the bike should be staying near the ground with the power on, he is being bounced all over the place. If anyone has a good base setting suitable for a 10 stone rider or advice on who to use for suspension set up (on line or Midlands UK) I would appreciate your comments. Thanks.

Is one allowed to be English these days? I thought the correct terminology was British. One wouldn't want to make any non-English Britons feel uncomfortable, it wouldn't be politically correct.

In a single lap trial of thirty sections 'no inspection allowed' there's bound to be at least one that catches the riders out- either by design or by mistake. It's the mistake one that concerns me. If I set out a trial (like our own OK Supreme LDT) and I get one of the sections wrong, someone might get injured. With no inpsection allowed, it could be argued that I (as Clerk of the Course) hadn't done my job right and made the sections unsuitable for the type of event.

Very tidy, although I wouldn't be suprised if it was bigger than 100cc, Honda do a lot of different engines, there's bound to be a 200cc version based on the XR powerplant. Perhaps a CD200 Benly or such like. Still it does look impressive. Jon Bliss does a similar thing using the 125 Jailing engine in a Gas Gas chassis, we often see one of those at local trials.

That sounds like a pretty good system. How do yo uknow which side of a colour you should pass though?

Reg Treble riding a Yamaha Serrow won Sundays Sphinx LDT held by the Cheltenham Home Guard Club. With a bumper 120 rider entry, Reg held his nerve around the 90 mile, thirty section course to record the only clean sheet of the day. In runner up spot, Regs' team mate Dave Cottle on board a Kawasaki KTX250 lost just one mark in the mud of section three way out at Guiting Ford high on the Cotswold hills. Third place went to Stratford Upon Avon club rider Liam O'Reilly on a borowed Gas Gas Pampera. Best lady in the event was Trudi Silvey also riding a Yamaha Serrow who lost 41 marks. With Pete Barnett first 250+ trail on a DRZ400 Many of the 30 sections only caught out the unwary odd dabs apart from numbers 13 & 15 at Middle Colgate farm. Both these sections took many riders for their first and in some cases only marks of the day, the no inspection ruling making the tight muddy turns over roots a real challenge for many of the trail bike entry. A very well organised and run event which went ahead despite the worst effects of the Nerc bill meaning that many of the green lanes used in the past were out of bounds for this year. Well done to the Cheltenham Home Guard Club. Winners. Class 1 (Pre 65) R Townsend 5 Class 2 (Trials) Mark Evans 7 Class 3 (Trail) Dave Cottle 1 Class 4 (Trail 250+) Pete Barnett 8 Class 5 (Ladies) Trudi Silvey 41 Class 6 (Over 45) Trevor Wall 3 Class 7 (Team of three) Clevedon Clowns 24 Class 8 (Official) Ben Faulkner 2

I couldn't agree more, the very reason why I started this thread. Wouldn't it be wonderful to have one simple common system for marking out three routes. A,B & C

The Evesham club do a very sensible B route which is the most popular route for riders, but to cater for absolute begginers, small wheel bikes (TY80's etc), trail bikes and older classic machines they put on a C route. Saintbury quarry is a small but excellent venue and one of the rare chances we have nearby to ride on a couple of rocks. Please note; although the C route is very easy, the Evesham club do seem to put on very hard A routes!

It's obvious that there are endless variations on this subject. Just for a moment, lets forget the system which we are each most familiar with and start with a clean sheet (no pun inteneded.) Our system must be- easy to understand by observers and riders, it must be clear, it must be simple for one man and his staple gun to set out and most importantly it must be unambiguous. (No more 'I thought I had to go the other side of that marker') What would be the best system to use (in your opinion) for marking out three routes if we were going to have one standard system for all events?

John Braithwaite could go over it, but I only tried the once

You mean like this???????

Yes, that does seem to be the general impression. I'm going to get another Michelin and play it safe. Cheers.

It will be signposted from the A46 at the top of Fish Hill near Broadway. Remember, the Evesham club always put on three routes, so there should be something for everyone at Saintbury Quarry this week. I'll see if I can get them to put in that lovely log just for Betarev3, I know you like that one Just.

A good idea. The Midland Centre Youth Championship uses this system. Red arrows for the A route. Blue arrows for the B route. Green arrows for the C route. White arrows for the D route.

I know the pairs of colours work..... but, this is one of the things which I've been critisised for recently, as I use pairs of whites for our easy route, but how do you know what side of a white you should go? Forgive me for playing devils advocate here for a moment. Imagine a gully with a row of trees either side, the Clerk of the course puts a white marker on every tree. Straight up you think, you get to the top and the observer shouts 'five' when you ask why he says 'you should have gone between those two whites on the left- not straight up!'

Many of us are still blindly, all be it with the very best of intentions, doing our best to complete and sign the RA forms for our events. I was wondering how things are progressing with some kind of formal risk assessment training and/or a generic set of risk assessments for all trials Clerks of the Course to be able to refer to?

Years ago we all rode the same route. Then as bikes advanced, the better riders could do things on their machines that the lesser riders had no chance of doing and two routes became the norm. Although we would all prefer to keep things simple, it is becoming more and more common for clubs to now offer three routes. This begs the question; how do we mark out three routes? I use bLue/Red, yeLlow/gReen (Cap letters for L or R) and pairs of whites for the easy route. I have also experimented with cououred arrows, (As used by the Mid Centre Youth championship) but this uses a hell of a lot of staples/wires and takes a lot more time. I know these idea's aren't perfect, so what do you prefer to use?

Yep, how does the saying go? If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword.

Excellent reply Boyd. As a land owner myself, I've looked into the viability of turning the (very flat) land into a motorsport facility, the process for doing this is complicated, lengthy and likely to be expensive. So much so that I gave up on the idea however, my land does not have to benefit of a history of motorsport use. I feel that this is possible the best way to move forward. Good luck to all who are working on this.

Thanks for that Cota, it's all good stuff