old trials fanatic

Just to throw another spanner in the works re the crankshaft centreline not being above the spindle height etc and limiting ground clearance. What about Greeves Scottish etc. They have a MASSIVE beam under the motor necessitating in the motor riding unduly high and also limiting the ground clearance at the same time. So what actually are you trying to achieve Charlie ? Are you wishing to exclude Greeves ?

How are you going to accurately measure the centreline of the crankshaft without at least removing the outer covers ? or do intend stripping every motor ? Just asking as this immediately came to mind. Why not just state a maximum ground clearence ? Just nail a corresponding block to a plank and position the bike on it. If you can turn the wheels its a special. Just a thought. I'm not really bothered as i wouldnt be entering anyway but if you are going to scrutineer its got to be easy to verify and simple to use.

Just one question why did you build the front brake with the torque arm working under compression ? I have always understood that this is a no no and torque arms should always be working in extension. Just wondering

Always fancied one of those from the moment i first saw one

Thanks Dave

Anybody know which wire is grounded to earth via a kill switch on an MAR ?

"The return of Kickstart" Please god i hope not. Worse thing that ever happened to the beautiful sport of trials. Its because of Kickstart that we have the ridiculous spectacle that is euphemistically called Indoor "Trials" bloody ruination of the sport.

I know of people using 2015 frames hubs etc who enter as 1954 cos that's what their log book says. Twinshock is no better as some people will always put down the earliest theoretical year of manufacture. Why? Well some clubs I know of have a tiebreaker on the age of the machine PMSL. More sensible ones have tiebreaker on the age of the rider preference given to the oldest rider. IMHO we should drop the abused misnomer pre65 and instead just have British Bike with sub classes. Oh one other thing please stop trying to use the words cheap and Motorsport in the same sentence. Never gonna happen get used to it. Cheapest way to enjoy trials is buy a 10 year old well looked after bike. Loads about for the price of a Bantam motor. Just ride and enjoy. No depreciation, somebody else paid for that, great value and loads of choice. Cheap as chips. As soon as you introduce classes the competition starts and costs escalate. I'm not saying don't build a classic just don't delude yourself it's going to be anything but very costly. After all they don't make them anymore....... or do they?

Jon V8 is the man to ask

This weekend sees round 12 the final round of the Peak Classic Trials Clubs 2015 Club Championship held at Burrycliffe quarry, Elton, Nr Matlock, Derbyshire. Start time is 11.00 am so why not come along and join in the fun in the glorious Derbyshire Peak National Park. As usual there will be routes for Expert, Classic Expert, Intermediate, Classic Intermediate and Clubmen. Classes for British Bikes, Twinshocks, Pre 95 air cooled monos and over 50's on moderns. The PB Trialsport van will be there too and mince pies for every rider. ALL and ANY observers welcome who will receive a small token of our appreciation along with the obligatory mince pie For more details see our website at www.peakclassic.co.uk Hopefully see you there

I am on the lookout for a Cotton Cavalier or Highlander as i want to support the class next season too

I just fitted them because i liked them. Sorry

Probably wrong as usual but wasnt Sam employed by the Rickmans ?

Wouldnt that be illegal ? A bit like a certain family i know having to wait for plod to move off on a road trial before they could continue as they both had the same registration number on their bikes. Agreed it was common practice back in the day and may even be so now

You had a damn good ride and just goes to prove you dont need all the trick bits if the course is laid out sensibly. Lets not forget there were some quite challenging bits and its great to see a good rider on a virtually catalogue bike can still get a result. Well done i couldnt have matched your score.

Storm Clodagh held off the worst of her fury till just after round 11 of the clubs 2015 Championship and from the feedback received most of the riders enjoyed their days sport. The Championship standings are now very interesting in some of the classes the battle for first place is only separated by one point which after 11 rounds is fantastic and will make the final round at Burycliffe quarry on 20th December crucial for some riders aspirations. Expert British Bike saw Martin Stanistreet have a scintillating ride on his James to lose just 2 marks on section 6. Those two single dabs on the difficult rock strewn climb were the only times his feet left the pegs. Superb. In second place was Darren Walker on his BSA making an all to rare visit to one of our events. Darren had an excellent ride losing 14 marks on the way mostly made up of dabs here and there with no particular section causing him problems but on the day Martin was unstoppable and on any other day 14 would have been enough to take the win. Excellent rides both of you. A really tight battle on the Expert Twinshock route saw another rare visitor to our events Stephen Bisby take the win by the narrowest of margins with a loss of 6 marks ahead of Steve Hitchcock, Honda, and ex works rider Chris Milner , Bultaco, both on 7 marks but Steve just took second place on the tie break. Such a close result that in my book they were all three winners but in the real world there can only be one so well done Stephen and here’s hoping we see you a little more often in 2016. Expert pre 95 air cooled mono saw Bob Gent have one of his usual polished rides aboard his TR34 Beta take the win on 3 marks ahead of Andrew Weston, Yamaha, on just 14 which was also a stunning performance which would normally be a winning effort but for Bob being so on form. Well done and respect to you both. That brings us to Classic Expert British Bike and one of the only two clean rides of the day which saw Pete Carson take the honours on his Bantam with that trials holy grail of a clean sheet ahead of Garry Shaw out on his Ariel for a change who lost a mere 14 marks which was considering how little time Garry has had on this new steed a very encouraging result. Bodes well for the future and I understand Garry has got a ride in Scotland so lets keep an eye on his preparations and progress towards his ride in Kinlochleven 2016. Classic Expert Twinshock saw Championship leader David Pattison, Bultaco, take a convincing win on 11 marks ahead of a close battle for second between Adrian Kent also Bultaco mounted and Robert Mycock on his Majesty. At the finish just two marks decided second place with Adrian on 20 and Robert on 22. Could have been so different if only guys but that’s trialling and that’s why we love it. Intermediate British Bike saw a repeat of the result in the Expert British Bike class for the Stanistreet family with Martins dad Harry aboard his Ariel complete with Ariel Arrow twin two stroke motor take the win on 21 ahead of the new slimline Barry Micklethwaite on his Francis Barnett on 27. That Ariel twin sounded just wonderful and it is so encouraging to see an example of a homebrewed special built to reflect so well the spirit of the 60’s lets see more of this please. Intermediate Twinshock saw Philip Higgins make a welcome return to our events on his OSSA to take the win with a loss of 13 ahead of Tony Sprinks riding as well as ever following his recent surgery to bring his Bultaco home in second with a loss of 16 leaving Gary Martin , SWM, to take third on 20 and secure the Championship lead with just one mark in hand to take to the final round at Burycliffe. We now come to Classic Intermediate British Bike and a fine ride from Mike Sanderson astride his Cub to the first place losing 9 marks along the way which included a 5 on section four on the last lap after cleaning the section all day. That momentary slip up thankfully didn't affect the result at the end of the day. Second place was taken by Andrew Holme on his immaculate standard Greeves on 25 marks. So good to see an unmolested machine that wouldn't be out of place in a Concours completion being used as the manufacturers intended. At the other end of the spectrum Mick Sheldon rode his very trick home built Bantam home in third on 27 marks. What an interesting class machine wise Classic Intermediate British Bike has become. Classic Intermediate Twinshock saw a really close battle between Tony Shaw, Bultaco, and current Championship leader Peter Austin on his Aprilia. At the finish Tony took the top spot on the podium with a loss of 3 to Peters 4 which is as close as you get. In third place Nick Colledge , Yamaha, had a great ride to record just 11 marks on his score card. So good to see such close fought competition. Clubman British Bike saw the second clean sheet of the day awarded to Arthur Tomkinson on his faithful Greeves Scottish enjoying the challenge and coming out the other end unscathed. Impressive. Clubman Twinshock saw a tight three way battle between Simon Currie, Yamaha, and the Bultaco mounted pair of Phil Green and Martin Falconer and the scores read 15, 17 and 19 in that order. Could have gone any one of three ways but that how the counters fell and the finish. I love a close battle. Clubman pre 95 air cooled mono saw Steven Blower consolidate his Championship lead taking his Yamaha to a win on just 10 marks lost. The final category and one I hope will grow during 2016 is Over 50’s on moderns and Cliff Richards took the win on his OSSA losing just 4 marks and with a smile on his face enjoying his days sport with us. Thank you to Gordon Statham and his family for the use of the venue they are always so helpful, welcoming and considerate to us. Our next event will be round 12 at Burycliffe Quarry on the 20th December so hopefully see you there. Start time is as usual 11.00 . For full and comprehensive details and results including current Championship standings please go to the clubs website www.peakclassic.co.uk

The reason for buying oversized shoes is to get them machined to fit the hub increasing the area of the lining in contact with the liner to improve braking . Std shoes only use a fraction of the material.

One for your diary. This weekend Peak Classic Trials Club are holding round 11 of their 2015 Club Championship at Stathams Farm on the A632 Tansley to Chesterfield road approx post code is DE4 5LZ Start time 11.00 am Expert, Classic Expert, Intermediate, Classic Intermediate and Clubman routes. Classes for British Bikes, Twinshocks, Pre 95 Air Cooled Monos and Over 50's on moderns. Come along and enjoy a ride out in the beautiful Derbyshire peak district.

This is exactly the sort of bike our new class at Peak Classic Trials Club is set up to cater for. Perfect example of the ethos of the Forgotten Era class

I've seen quite a few at shows so there are ones around plus there are i am sure many more in boxes just awaiting a reason to be rebuilt and brought to life again. Anyway its always easy to knock and dont even try but unless you do how will you ever know ? I personally think it would be great to see those Sprites, Cottons, Greeves Pathfinders, early Bultacos being used as they were intended once again. Competition bikes are for competing on NOT for staring at. Well they are in my book. Sparks2 you may be right but at least i tried

The video only shows on tickover. Is the noise speed related i.e. when you rev it does it change ? Does sound pretty bad was wondering if could be primary drive or even the exhaust if you have changed and checked everything in the engine. Ossa motors are noisy compared to modern stuff in fact all 70's stuff is as are TY's right up to and including Pinkys but this isnt normal for a MAR.

Berrycliffe if I'm not mistaken

Charlie and Trials are fun the pub which also has touring caravan pitches along with rooms as well is the Miners Standard at Winster within 8 miles of all our venues . We are AMCA affiliated now so no no competition licence required . Just turn up sign on and enjoy

Changes for 2016 at Peak Classic To try to increase the numbers of bigger bikes taking part in the Club Championship and also to try to cater for machines that seem to have been forgotten and the owners of which feel that rightly or wrongly they are at a disadvantage when riding against some of the more highly modified British Bikes around nowadays. We therefore decided to introduce the following changes for the 2016 season. We will along with bonus points for British bikes over 351 cc be introducing a class for bikes from the late 60’s and early 70’s that have been languishing in sheds and the only time they have seen the light of day recently is at shows. So dig out those old bikes that were so commonplace in those far off days and come along for a fun ride out with the Peak Classic Trials Club based in and around Matlock in the beautiful Derbyshire Peak District. The new class, which will be called Forgotten Era, has been sponsored by PB Trialsport who have donated the trophies for the Championship. British Bikes From January 1st 2016 all riders of machines in this class over 351cc will receive 2 bonus Championship points per event in addition to their normal Championship points score. This applies to all routes. From January 1st 2016 all riders of rigid machines in this class will receive 3 bonus Championship points per event in addition to their normal Championship points score. This applies to all routes. NEW CLASS Forgotten era. A class for twinshock machines from the late 60’s and early 70’s that have been passed over and were considered uncompetitive for use in the current Twinshock class. Eligible machines to use the following engines. Jawa, Minarelli, Puch, Sachs, Suzuki and Zundap Manufacturers Alta, Cotton, Dalesman, Dot, Gaunt, Greeves, McLaren, Saracen, Sprite and Wassell Also eligible will be Pre 70 model year Bultaco 4 and 5 speed, Pre 70 model year Montesa and OSSA, Pennine only. Bikes to be generally as produced. Handlebars, levers, controls and footrest position may be altered. Current trials tyres, no tubeless allowed unless used with a tube, and shocks can be used. Plastic mudguards also allowed. Alloy rims allowed. Hubs and front forks to be era specific although internal mods are allowed i.e. springs, damping and brake materials. No discs drum brakes only. To be held mainly over the Clubman route but if riders so desire then bonus points of 3 for Classic Intermediate, 5 for Intermediate, 7 for Classic Expert and 9 for Expert route in addition to their Championship points score on the route. All as current Over 60’s Championship. If you are unsure about machine eligibility then please ask the Clerk of the Course / Trials secretary prior to the start of the event. Machines that contravene the eligibility criteria will be moved to the Twinshock class of the relevant route and will therefore score Twinshock Championship points.