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Alright Charlie you got me there LOL

The general view is that the C15 grips better than the B40.

Not dissagreeing with anything you say but the rule with ACU "front spindle in front spindle out" doesnt apply with AMCA events which is "front spindle in rear spindle out" and it's amazing how many riders dont know that one either.

Says it all i think. If thats the sort of "quality" parts that float your boat. Question: ever wondered why the current owner of Sammy Miller products wont deal with him? Anyway i'm sure you'll work it out in the end to your own satisfaction. Good luck and i hope you have lots of patience

You'll NEVER get even two posts to agree and firstly i still feel the term "Pre 65" is the main stumbling block. Why rule out a Cheetah or AJS 37A ? just because they were made after 31/12/1964 then again why allow square barrel cubs etc etc. Surely if Pre 70 or British Bike was adopted it wouldnt be so bad and open to abuse? err then again perhaps it would. 1. British motor externally as was. Internals free. 2. Forks max 35mm dia but otherwise use what you like as they will anyway. 3. Frame design as was i.e. Cubs and C15 had swan neck headstocks so they must still have. Material free. Rear shocks to retain original mounting positions. 4. Wheels and hubs free. They'll only copy out of unobtainium. 5. Brakes drum only. 6. Tyres fitted with tubes only no tubeless. Any bike not complying rides as a special. And you could probably drive a bus through that too. In reality it's too late plus as you say John without enforcement it's all irrelevant anyway. I personally feel the only thing to do now is to ensure that the sections are laid out so that the ubertricked up bikes are not able to exploit their expensive advantages. Gives us all something to argue about though eh?

Depends what for. Always found C&D autos good for C15 and B40 bits plus Gaggs in Nottingham. Most other trials orientated comsumables can be obtained from various suppliers a lot of which advertise on TC and support this site so deserve our custom. Other stuff i make or get made. Just never had much sucess with Terry Weedy and i know of quite a few who have had problems.

Just wondering as i never actually seem to see any Suzuki's especially Beamish Suzuki's being used. Theyre pretty but i assume they are plentiful as you see them on flea bay regularly so why dont you see them in trials? Is it simply because they arent much cop?

Good luck he's not the best at answering well thats my experience anyway. Not on my list of preferred suppliers

Hi Charlie. "would just like to know why the bike was built" well probably like just about every other tricked up bike because he could!. nothing in the rules to stop you is there.

Matchless ? Anyway by 2013 Titanium frames will be so last year

With the 2011/12 season now well and truly behind us riders were chomping at the bit to compete for the awards for the coming 2012 / 2013 Trials season with the Peak Classic Trials Club. The opener of the season was as usual at the very popular venue of Dudwood Farm near Elton Derbyshire and the weather was glorious a beautiful spring day helping dry the land leaving the sections in prime condition. The team had spent Friday and Saturday laying out 10 sections, to be ridden 4 times, through the streams, woodland and rocky outcrops that comprise local Trials impresario Barry Burtons home Dudwood Farm. Barry not only allowed us to use his farm and outbuildings for the event he even helped out by observing a section. What a star! This was the first event where the club would be running the new Classic Expert and Classic Intermediate classes and after a bit of confusion all seemed to go well in the end with everybody who rode those routes happy with the outcome so looks like it was the right decision to include the classes to make the progression from Clubman to Expert more progressive. 64 riders started the event with some big names from the world of Classic Trials also present a tough competition was assured with nobody wanting to blink first. The legend that is Dave Thorpe came out tops in the British Bike Expert class keeping his feet well and truly planted on the pegs all day to record a clean sweep. Watching Dave was simply awesome he makes even the trickiest section seem like a main road. Keeping Dave honest was Mick Grant close behind losing just 5 marks on his Ariel which is almost as much a legend as he is. One other name that has been a feature of Trials both on the UK stage but also the European Championship during the 60’s and 70’s was Peter Gaunt looking barely half his 75 years of age. Peter was out on his 62cc Honda maintaining his preference for small capacity machinery. Remember the Gaunt Jawa and Suzukis from the 70’s? Peter picked his way through the hazards to record a very creditable 4th in the Expert Twinshock class losing a miserly 14 marks 7 less than some of the guest riders on modern machinery none of whom were even born when Peter was one of the top 3 riders in Europe and he has obviously lost none of his talents. The new Classic Expert class was won by Peter Carson on his Bantam who also kept a clean sheet for the day followed home by his brother Derek also Bantam mounted on 14 marks. Another class family act was the team of Mark and Ashley Hallows who took wins in the Expert Twinshock and Classic Expert Twinshock classes well done guys. The Intermediate British Bike and Classic Intermediate Twinshock classes were also taken by a father and son team of Mark and Peter Elvidge. Mark having machine problems on his Francis Barnett but still managed to triumph through adversity to take the win while father Peters Honda never missed a beat to triumph on the new Classic Intermediate route. Last but by no means least for the first time in a long time we almost had a full complement of observers and the Club would like to take this opportunity to sincerely thank all the people who picked the board up and helped make the event so enjoyable. After the event came the presentation of last seasons awards which were handed over to the class winners by another legend the ever young at heart Mick Andrews. We are so lucky at Peak Classic to be able to ride with such enthusiastic like minded people of all ages but it was almost like the old days to sit alongside the likes of Dave Thorpe, Peter Gaunt, Mick Grant and Mick Andrews who all just like us enjoy the sport so much. Expert British Bike 1st Dave Thorpe Cub 0 marks 2nd Mick Grant Ariel 5 marks 3rd David Dench Cub 16 marks Expert Twinshock 1st Mark Hallows Majesty 4 marks 2nd Bob Gent Fantic 7 marks 3rd Stephen Bisby Ossa 13 marks Expert Air Cooled Mono 1st Andrew Weston Yamaha 27 marks Classic Expert British Bike 1st Peter Carson Bantam 0 marks 2nd Derek Carson Bantam 14 marks 3rd Nigel Crappor Cub 48 marks Classic Expert Twinshock 1st Ashley Hallows Yamaha 9 marks 2nd Ian Bend Ossa 11 marks 3rd Antony Sprinks Bultaco 39 marks Intermediate British Bike 1st Mark Elvidge Francis Barnett 24 marks 2nd Peter Barber Greeves 26 marks Intermediate Twinshock 1st Stephen Eyre SWM 17 marks 2nd Gary Shield Bultaco 23 marks 3rd Mark Kearsley Yamaha 32 marks Intermediate Air Cooled Mono 1st Michael Dorricott Honda 7 marks 2nd Matt Dixon ` Honda 12 marks 3rd Gary Martin Yamaha 13 marks Classic Intermediate British Bike 1st Paul Beswick James 6 marks 2nd Johnathan Harrison Triumph 6 marks 3rd Kevin Scott Cub 12 marks Classic Intermediate Twinshock 1st Peter Elvidge Honda 4 marks 2nd Mark Barrington Honda 13 marks 3rd Peter Austin Bultaco 20 marks Clubman British Bike 1st Peter Cottrell Bantam 28 marks 2nd David Pickering Francis Barnett 36 marks 3rd James Wickstead BSA 56 marks Clubman Twinshock 1st Sean Wickstead Honda 17 marks 2nd John Davies Bultaco 21 marks 3rd Stephen Baker Yamaha 36 marks Clubman Air Cooled Mono 1st Graham Lyons Honda 5 marks 2nd Barrie Rodgers Yamaha 19 marks

Like it and very true about the EM centre and it still goes on. Theres also the advanced queue jumping gambit of parking your bike at the section starts card not quite blocking the entrance but near enough then going for a look and when the sections "just right" as in that rock i couldnt kick out of the way has been moved getting on your bike that just happens to be at the front of the queue and riding the section

Isnt it illegal still for children to smoke? or is that it's just illegal for them to buy the stuff?

1. Difficult. What matters here is consistency i.e. you do the same to every rider however the flag is now already half way to needing to be reset so is it fair not to reset it because the next guy may do just the same as little Jonny but because the flag is already half way there it will then need reseting. OK i know this is not in the rule book but i would ask the next guy who walks the section to just stand the flag up for me. Little Jonny receives no penalty for brushing the flag and the next guy get to attempt the section as it should be. Not perfect i know but it's only a sport after all not life or death. 2. 5 he's caused a flag to need to be reset doesnt matter if it's on his route or not i'm assuming it's in the same section just anouther route? Thats the rule as i read it. 3. No penalty for the flag as the observer feels the flag doesnt need reseting nor that it might disadvantage the next rider by being disturbed too much. Again i know not to the letter of the rules but as long as consistency is applied that is how i would mark it. Certain types of flags on springy wire can deflect quite considerably due to the wind at times and riders have to contend with that also so there must always be a certain amount of "observer discretion" and "common sense" applied but overall consistency is the key. Hope my opinion if not to the letter of the rule book is not too contentious?

Theres at least one i can think of in Yorkshire and he's been at it that long too bless him

So the fact that the observer had to walk into the section to stand the flag back up again after the rider went through means according to you that he didnt reset it, even though he did have to pick it up out of the mud and stick it back in so what would you call sticking the flag back in because it had been displaced then again if i had said displaced in your book that would also be wrong because i said it forgot that, and that i should have overuled his decision to five the rider as he thought the rule book said if he had to reset it it's a five. The observer asked me for clarification and i gave it. I know in your book telecat everything i say do or think is always ipsofacto WRONG so lets assume somebody other than me had been CoC and backed the observer reseting the flag and giving a five because of it would they have been WRONG or is it just because i said it? Just wondering

"You didn't really come up to be honest" ? dont get you. What i said was it croped up yesterday. It happened at our trial and as CoC i had to make a decision and back the observers decision on the spot which i did. I agree "brushing the flag and a five is given without the observer having to do anything." Is an incorrect call. Also agree with chewy that riders "helpfully" pointing out what they think they saw in a loud voice to the observer "did you see that observer he knocked that flag or did you see that he had a dab" and sometimes displacing a flag or replacing it 2ft further off line isnt right either.

I see youre a member of the VMCC well firstly before i got the grinder and welder out i would decide which clubs i was going to ride at and check what and what is not eligable. Yorkshire Classic website has a page on eligability regs which is worth a look if you intend to ride at their club. Good luck

Works for me. Surely you cant say THATS boring to watch? It's poetry in motion and all on a Bultaco Twinshock without 38mm forks or Maxton inserts etc etc etc

Whats a "reverse top yoke" is it something to do with going backwards cos thats a 5

:agreed: Wish there was an applause icon.

Well the 2011/2012 season is well and truly behind us and the 2012/2013 Club Championship is about to commence. This Sunday 26th February sees the ever popular venue of Dudwood Farm, Elton, Derbyshire hold round 1 which will take in the testing stream sections and rocky woods that this venue is so famous for. Looking to set out 4 laps of 11 sections for your delight. Start time is as usual 11.00am and entries close 10mins before the start. The presentation of last years awards takes place after the event at the Miners Standard Pub nearby so a great day out in the fabulous Derbyshire Peak District is assured. There will be classes for British Bikes, Twinshock, Pre95 Air Cooled Monos and Trickshox and you can read more about the classes and eligability on our website www.peakclassic.co.uk New for this season is the inclusion of two new "Classic" routes. So there are now Expert, Classic Expert, Intermediate, Classic Intermediate and Clubman categorys so something for everyone. Full details again on our website. Finally a new, for Peak Classic, is an award for best Pre Unit over 300cc on both of the Classic routes kindly sponsored by PB Trialsport who will also be in attendance with their sales van. Just a timely reminder that Club subscriptions are now due. The weather is forcast to be good this weekend in Derbyshire so make the most of it see you there.

Strangely i also hear the same comment from "experts", strange i never hear it from the other classes, that they "need" to be able to pull back sloppy dabs or even a five. One guy even stated he wouldnt be riding at our club "because the trials are too easy and i'm getting beaten by people who arent as good as i am" ??? Surely the "skill" is not to lose any more marks than you really have to? I wasnt there so i cant and wont comment specifically about this trial but you cant lay out a trial with just a handful of competitors out of say 120 in mind and to hell with the rest. As i said before the reason wiggy lost was he didnt have as good a ride on the day as someone else.