old trials fanatic

A nice mixture of tricked up and non tricked up machinery there. Great to see them out and about. Nice sections about the same severity as our Clubman route so why dont we ever see any of these at our events? Must be that riders of this sort of bike want to enter events that are solely for this sort of bike. Thats the successful formula of the Talmag and if we want to see more of these lovely older big bikes out in competition then it needs a series just for them and only them. Great pictures almost makes you want to build one

Sadly here in Derbyshire the situation is nowhere as well subscribed, thats all three local Classic clubs, as you are. Your clubs future is well assured but around here there is not the same support for "pre65", or whatever you want to call it, with more support for Twinshocks. However as i have explained i introduced the Trickshox class more as a reaction to the more highly modified Twinshocks and i dont personally feel the British Bike element in our trials will be affected by it's inclusion. Then again saying that i do notice that Yorkshire Classic does have a "specials" class anyway. Trickshox as i envisage it would be a pointless class for Yorkshire Classic as 1. you dont have Twinshocks at your trials and 2. You are already inundated with entries anyway. Good luck to you as you are one of the few handful of sucessful purely pre65 clubs

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Thanks for the clarification Javier. Hmm handicaps? must admit i hadnt thought of that one before. Will wait and see how it pans out but an interresting concept. It's a bit easier for you guys to impliment as you have scrutineering and a parc ferme, well you did when i rode at Robregordo, so easy to keep an eye on things plus theres nobody more knowledgeable about Trials bike specs than the Spanish. Keep us posted on how it all works out

perhaps we could include a section over all those spat dummys LOL Good luck to SoA for a great day and a full entry.

Like it but is it Scottish Pre65 legal and do we care

Thanks for reinforceing the stereotype. Cheers

Think it only appropriate to add why i have introduced a Trickshox class to our trials. I have noticed, not yet at our club, nationwide that the Twinshock class is starting to go the same way that "pre65" went with people "modifying" their Twinshocks more and more to get them to perform more like a modern bike and quite a few, think John Bliss Cotswold et al, are becoming a quantum leap ahead of a typical Ossa, Bultaco, Montesa etc. Now i could have just as easily called it a Specials class and on our website under machine eligability it does refer to them as Specials or Trickshox. To be honest i dont care what you call them but what i do care about is that riders of fairly genuine Spanish Twinshocks are not dissadvantaged and end up butchering them too just to stay competitive. Now i know Charlie is coming from the "pre65", god how i hate that term, point of view but i have introduced the class solely as a class for bikes that do not conform to the machine eligability rules of our club. I dont want to turn anybody away but i dont want either to see us ending up with over modified super trick bikes that cost a fortune dissadvantaging the riders of more "period", another term i hate, machinery. Lets be honest most "pre65" bikes nowadays are so tricked up and modified that they are realistically Twinshocks anyway and could compete on an equal level with and probably easily out perform a std Bultaco etc. Also we have in the past detered owners of modified air cooled monos fitted with two shocks from entering, i still have my reservations, but they now have a class that they can compete in along with all the other bikes that dont fit the eligability criteria for British Bike or Twinshock. For this year i have included the class which will ride the Expert route only as an experiment and we will see how it goes. Incidentally i have also put up a trophy for the best Pre unit over 300cc on our new Classic Intermediate and Classic Expert route to try and encourage some interest from owners of bigger machinery. Lets put it this way is it fair that a Spanish twinshock fitted with tubeless tyres and rims, modern bike front end and loads of billet or a Fantic with a late reed valve motor and modern bike front end alloy swing arm laid down shocks etc can compete on equal terms with a "std" Ossa Bultaco etc? Personnaly i think not so that is why we now have a class for the more trick bikes be they British, Spanish, Italian, Japanese or just a bitza built in the shed. Just take a look at the new elegability rules the Spanish have introduced for this year they are far more draconian that what we are proposing. Come on guys be honest for once why did you fit a Sherco, Gas Gas, Beta whatever front end if it wasnt to gain an unfair advantage and dont tell me the tubeless tyres and rims are not there for the same reason too cos i dont and wont believe you. But this is now no problem as there is a class for you at our club so if you choose to ride your Trickshox as a Twinshock and somebody protests it then on your own head be it. After all you are still riding the same trials course just competing in another class. The other reason for introducing the class was that i refuse to let mega trick bike dictate the severity of our trials, come on we have all seen it happen with more steps, drop offs, tighter and tighter turns etc, thereby affecting the less able riders who would then be put off riding. That is not what our club is about and is also the reason i have restricted the Trickshox to the Expert route. Lets hope it's sucessful but at least we at Peak Classic are trying something new to keep the sport of Classic Trials alive here in the Derbyshire Peaks. Just wanted to set the record straight.

What happened did the observer duck?

My my arent you americans aggressive. Obviously caught a nerve or is it that american diplomacy is conducted with a big stick? Why so touchy? If they "screwed" Martin why is he so strident and aggressive about this matter up for discussion? You guys need to calm down over there and take a chill pill. No wonder the rest of the world worries so much. BTW i do hope the FU reference doesnt refer to me as in the English speaking world that would be most offensive. Perhaps not over there from the tone of Martins posts. Whatever.

Thanks BJ for the clarification. As far as i know ACU view is if the marker has to be reset. Obviously riding over it is a 5 but touching it without moving the flag, marker or tape which often bows in the breeze wouldnt generally incur a 5. Either way it can only be a good thing that riders and observers are made aware of any rules specific to the 6 days. Question does this also apply to the 2 day pre65 event? Reminds me of a recent incident when a rider was bemoaning an observers decision to give him a 3 when he thought he was clean as "my front spindle was out". I did point out to him that it was an AMCA event and AMCA rules are front spindle in rear spindle out. He was not aware of the different rule even though he had been riding ACU and AMCA events for some while. Saying that i do know of some observers who mark ACU even though they are at AMCA events so it does happen.

I was always given to believe that it's only a 5 if the flag needs reseting as it's been disturbed, i'm beginning to know how the flag must feel.

At the risk of getting flammed why dont observers have to go on a course and be licensed the same as a C o C then we could ensure they all sing from the same sheet? OK that is in an ideal world where we all have a deluge of applicants to observe at every event which we all know aint gonna ever happen but it's the only way that i can see of ever alieviating this problem. Till that glorious day we take what we can get and make the most of it. It's a thankless job anyway but observers i love you one and all

Reminds me of a song by Peter Sarstedt LOL Some do appear at local VMCC meetings and Yorkshire Classic do get quite a few but i know what you are getting at. Perhaps it's just a high days and holidays thing? Special occaisions like the Talmag? It needs a sponsor, dont suggest me cos i'm broke nobodys buying anything thats why i'm on here instead of the lathe , similar to Sammy Miller or PJ1 to sponsor a series of events specially just for this kind of bike but nobodys got the money or time. If i received enough interrest i would deffinately include a class in our trials. The Clubman and Classic Intermediate routes would be more than suitable for these bikes.

God me stomachs churning now

Brilliant idea. Wish i'd thought of that. So simple. Guess whos off to the local stockholder

Nice bike. Nice oil tank/mudguard. Nice forks and fork brace. As for tanks you use what you have lurking in the depths of the shed. Prices for new alloy tanks are silly now so why not recycle? Dont see a problem with any of it plus got to admire the tenacity of the rider/owner/builder of the rigid. All good stuff

Be interresting to know what they are, preferably English trnslation as i found it difficult to follow the Google translation, as i'm always interrested in how different rules are implemented. Always admired the way the Spanish policed Twinshocks. We can always learn something.

I've always hated this "imaginary boundary" term. I've even heard that "it's a straight line between markers. I dont like miles of tape either but at least you know where the "line" is that you must not cross otherwise it's that old observers interpretation thing that always seems to fluctuate depending on who is riding the section. Dont get me wrong i'm not having a go at observers, without which the trial just doesnt seem right somehow, just dont think it should be open to interpretation and should be clear to all where the line is. As for dabing outside of a section unless they remove or displace a marker with their foot i've always thought it was ok. Again though as previously said numerous times a lot of this is down to how the section is laid out by the C o C, again NOT having a go at them either, because some smart ar5e will always "find" a line you never thought of when you laid it out believe me been there got the t shirt etc.