old trials fanatic

Thanks Dave

Spoke to Steve Goode earlier and he suggested it may be the "pushrod" which on the 242 is brass. I need to strip the cover off and there is a three legged device on the inside of the cover that the clutch lever presses to actuate the clutch when the handlebar lever is pulled in. In the middle of this three legged thingy is a brass rod that apparently wears and thus doesnt fully depress the clutch so it doesnt disenguage properly. Sounds plausable so i will have to buckle down and strip it or just sell it. decisions decisions. Too many projects not enough time

Just got the bike and trying to asses wether it's worth restoring or not and it's strange the clutch feels like it's working normally i.e. when you pull it in the arm moves smoothly and you can feel spring pressure but the clutch doesnt dissenguage.

hi clutch on the 242 is dragging. I assume it's an adjustment issue so whats the adjustment proceedure? also whats best oil viscosity to use? Thanks guys

Just aquired a cota 242 which i'm thinking about doing up and was wondering about parts availability. Where is the best place in the UK, buying from abroad is too expensive postage wise, for old Montesa bits? or will i just be better to not bother and break it? Just wondering cos the grapevine says that parts are nigh on impossible to find which is why Montesa's never seem to fetch much money.

Look forward to it dont forget to say hi

Only worth however much folding someone is willing to part with for it. Bit like your house.

Hi dont take too much notice or read too much into discussions that have taken place on here. Most bikes would never be affected anyway especially at club level. Most of the discussions that take place dont happen at trials anyway but things do get discussed here because people care deeply about the sport they love. I suppose that because most of us have been involved for so long we forget how this can be percieved by people who have not been involved for as long. Dont be put off riding your bike especially at any of the three Classic clubs in your area. Just come along and i guarantee you will be made most welcome at all of them. Rules in any walk of life will always provoke discussion but in whatever area of our day to day life we come across rules that have to be there to try and keep things under control. Some rules will be ignored some wont but in the main they are there for a good reason. Most of the time you will never even think of any rule or law that may affect you because your actions dont contraviene any i.e 30mph limits are usually there for a reason and most people realise that and drive accordingly but if the limit was abolished there would always be somebody who behaved recklessly and didnt apply common sense. Because there are rules there are lines drawn in the sand which we then know we shouldnt cross. In a democracy we can then challenge any rules we dont agree with and lobby to get them changed which is good and is what the discussions on here are about. From reading your post i doubt very much if anything would ever be said to you other than "great to see you and i hope you have a good time." Come along ride your bike and have fun with the rest of us

If i remember correctly the TLR250 used 400mm ones or alternatively you could reposition the shock mounts.

Dont know if you are refering to me Tam but all i stated was that the rules as put forward for the scottish pre65 two day are effectively the guideline for people building a pre65 british bike whatever you want to call it as people who build one need to know it is scottish legal as if they want to submit an entry or sell it that is the first question that is asked. nobodys "fault" just that the scottish is the pinnacle in most peoples minds of pre65 trials in the UK.

Not what i said and you well know it but why miss a chance when you see one eh? Nothing to stop anybody fitting or leaving the lights on a trials bike but as i said if they are fitted they must all work especially at m.o.t. time and though you may not agree if lights are fitted it is yet another thing that the police can do you for if they are not all completely up to construction and use regs along with insurance, having a license, legal number plates, underinflated tyres, horns, speedos, brake lights (dont forget if you have lights fitted you must have working brake lights too). No i dont think and didnt say lights will make or break our sport but for once it would be nice if you could comment on what somebody wrote not on what you think they did. Either way even if lights had been fitted to everybodys bikes it might not have affected the organisers decision to cancel the event for safety reasons. It's always easy to second guess but the organisers were on the spot and had to make the call if somebody had been run over in the bad visability everybody would have been quick to condem them. It was their call and they called it as they saw it. I doubt very much i could be a bigger fool than you and everybody else "think" but it's possibly comforting to know you might occaisionally.

Just a question but if he had had a billet Rickman copy hub or a billet Bantam / Cub alloy copy hub would he have been "asked" to enter as a special if he rode again?

Generally the first thing i would do is throw the K&N in the bin and build a proper airbox as large a volume as the available area allows. You then use a top mounted modern filter element that way the engine can draw from a large volume of stable air. Basically creating a plenum chamber or as near as you can get within the restrictions of a trials bike. Those K&N conical filters are the devils work and go against all best practice when working on ninduction systems. Also it's a good idea to use a link hose at least 2" dia which will also help. I've never found a trials bike yet that doesnt benifit from a bigger free flowing air box and those K&N's are just the opposite. A bit like those horrendous chrome pancake filters. Youve already hinted at this talking about using the long inlet hoses on Landies which would also give a larger reserve of stable air for the engine to draw from.

True he did very well and rides that greeves like a good un. Dont know about the white riding gear though Hope he does well.

What do i think? I think that it would be in my own interest just before the weight check to ride through as much mud as possible, similar to an F1 car driving through the "marbles" on the slowing down lap. Think i would also fill up with fuel from the spare bottle i wasnt carrying and even put that lead weight i wasnt carrying in my rucksack back under the engine. Oh yes and dont forget to slide the wheel back in the swing arm was that wheelbase with or without rider astride the machine and was that using leading axle forks or not? Might think of a few more this afternoon

Sorry Javier i have to dissagree with you about Scotland. One of the first things that always crops up here when someone is talking about a British Bike is "ah but thats NOT scottish legal is it!!!" I cant say about in Europe and i do totally agree with you about it's only one trial out of hundreds but in the UK if you ride Pre65 you will make sure you have at least one bike that is scottish legal in the shed. You might not use it week in week out but it's there just in case. I've never had a problem with organisers rules just with how they apply them and i dont just single the scottish out for that. It's their trial and they can organise it as they see fit at least they publish the eligability rules so you can try to build a legal bike. to be realistic Javier the scottish was bound to come up in this thread at some point as it IS the driver over here. Best of luck this year mate

Probably because if you have them fitted they must all be working at all times otherwise you are commiting an offence. If you havent any fitted then you are not. Dont give them even more excuses to get the sport closed down.

Thing is Dave a lot of the sections from the early 60's are now just the route between the sections of today that was what i was refering to. The other thing is, as we have both said previously countless times, that who in their right minds would want to ride an original bike as was in the scottish pre 65? and if so have they sought medication?

"If a bike has ANY component on it that wasn't available before 1965 then it goes in the specials class. That's it in a nutshell. Modernised in any way means it's no longer standard, it's in the specials, it's no longer Pre65 spec. Scrutineering, if any was done, would be easier as the only bikes you'd have to examine would be the standard class." OK the above post by Woodie makes sort of sense until you really sit down and think about it. Tyres? err you cant buy the tyres that were used prior to 31/12/1964. Shocks ditto. Cables bars levers throttle mudguards oils spark plugs plug caps fuel tube ignition leads etc can all be bought but at a considerable cost plus most of them dont really work that well. Then we have the problem that i would like to bet if you could actually find an original machine, lets just imagine you are doctor who or have a delorean, i seriously doubt it could get round or finish the Scottish Pre65 2 day riding the sections exactly as they will be when run this year. It's an interresting discussion topic but Woodies right in a way the whole Pre65 thing is driven by the obsession that some have about the Scottish and that aint gonna change in my opinion. As for the seat height issue i bet it wont be applied in reality blindly across the board but i've already got a few ideas about how to get around that one.

did all that still couldnt find the video

Agree with JC about the self policing aspect, well i would because this is how we do it at Peak Classic, because at the end of the day surely it's the riders themselves who should or shouldnt be bothered if somebody else is "cheating" or gaining an obvious advantage by circumnavigating or blatantly ignoring the rules. Now as for rules. I got more than a bit fed up with the lack of ANY so i decided to "put up or shut up" and created some for our club as previously we had piggy backed on the East Midland ACU Classic Championship ones but as i've previously stated it didnt seem right to do that anymore as we are now AMCA. At least now we at Peak Classic have some rules which may or may not meet with everybodys approval, only complaints have been about oversize gas gas front ends and tubless tyres and rims no longer being allowed and a bike so fitted would have to ride in the specials class, and i have already amended them for this year. Thing is if you have some eligability rules you can discuss and fine tune them if you dont have any you cant do anything can you??? We desperately need something that can then be discussed and ratified with a stability period so people know where they are when building or entering a bike. If it's there and published, plus the clubs agree to abide by it not just opt out, then everybody knows where they are. Surely thats better than having a bike thats "legal" at one club and a special or banned the next week at another clubs event?

Correct me if i'm wrong, and i'm sure somebody i know will leap at the chance!, but i think you need a minimum of 40 sections , can be 4 x 10 of course, to class it as an event. ACU rule might have changed since i was with them. Shame especially considering all the hard work that must have gone in to put the event on but safety of the riders and officials must ALWAYS take priority. Must have been a hard decision to take but sounds like the right one.

Very true he gave you a good run for your money just 1 point behind you good ride BTW for both of you. Would be great to see you both at more of our events this season

Would you enter with that precondition? I know i wouldnt i'd just ride somewhere else. So how many entries would that trial get?