old trials fanatic

Any results posted as one of my friends from Derbyshire was riding and i was just wondering how he went

Totally and utterly agreed Nigel thats EXACTLY what should have been done years ago. What they do and are capable of bears NO relevance to what the grass routes of the sport needs.

Perhaps longer forks coupled with 360mm rear shocks steeper head angle and if then still not enough you'll have to lift the motor. Dont forget to slim and lower the rear subframe too. Then again perhaps it would be easier to buy a Faber frame ?

Know what he meant cos i HATE mud too. Then again Bernie had more talent in his used toe nail clippings than i'll ever have in my lifetime.Suppose it all depends on what youre brought up on. Me i like rocks and roots. Cant ride em but i like em Dont think you can ever have too much traction though. Well as long as i have but all the rest havent then thats fine by me

Thanks for that Mr Collins. Long overdue, i know it wasnt your fault you couldnt post before, response to all the negativity about the experiment. Well said. Now lets see as John says how it pans out over the season. However i am sure the stop is gooooood no stop is baaaaad debate will rage on under a new topic. Sadly

definately a five but as long as everybody, not just the well known ones, gets marked the same then ok by me.

As long as youre happy Bruce. Think i would have fabricated a large capacity alloy airbox to take a modern filter in the top giving a much better plemum chamber and better water proofing when riding deep water. K&N filters are a total waste of space if you want a bike to actually perform and are a nightmare to jet. Strictly for the chopper squad who wouldnt understand the question never mind the answer. Good luck with your foam filter. Deffinately not the route i would take but then again it's not my bike.

Just a question. Obviously it's your bike so you do what you like but why would you want to fit a smaller air filter when most people are striving to fit a larger capacity airbox to improve performance. It goes against basic principles. A large, as large as is practical considering space available, plenum chamber is a prerequisite to getting an engine to breathe properly so why do you want to strangle it? Just wondered

Be interesting to hear an unbiased point of view. Might not always agree with John but his posts are always well worded, incisive and thought out plus it's from the horses mouth. Definately looking forward to reading it. Come on Andy sort it

I dont have a panacea but it's obvious both camps have their protagonists and detractors. I think trials have come to the point where there needs to be a split a bit like moto cross and supercross. Agreed it does seem strange that one event over 6 rounds only is run to a different set of rules to what the same riders ride, or should i say want to ride, predomanantly. Riles me a bit when we get stupid comments like "non stop is dangerous" which is total bo11ocks. If that was so A&E would be chockabloc with pre65 and twinshock riders and it isnt. As for "best for the sport" well if people dont take it up there wont be any sport eventually so there needs to be an attainable standard to attract people into the sport. All sports have a higher echelon at the top of the pyramid and if they demand a different set of rules to satisfy them then so be it but it doesnt have to be stop allowed good non stop bad to paraphrase George Orwell. If anything is wrong it's trying to combine both disciplines and as many have said quite rightly "one size most definately doesnt fit all". At the moment clubs can choose which rule they run a trial under. By the sound of it some observers dont take any notice of whatever rule the trial is run under and mark how they think it should be marked and sod the CoC. This surely cant be right either. The stop allowed brigade are so pedantic about if you stop for a millisecond it should be 5 but a roll back is ok and the non stoppers just see it as fannying around and posing so you will NEVER get them to agree so dont bother. Perhaps just call them "modern trick trials" and "classic trials" and run them to stop allowed and non stop rules. Does anybody REALLY think it matters that the BTC is run to the same rules as WTC ? Like the riders are actually going to have the determination and level of commitment to compete at the top level of WTC and are only being held back because the ACU has imposed the non stop rule on 6 BTC events ? Really thats ALL thats holding them back? and who cares if there is a British competitor at the WTC anyway? As for Kickstart IMHO that was the worse thing that could have happened to trials as it tried to turn a sport of finesse and grace into a circus freak show and thats how we arrived at what we have now. Time for a split and long overdue IMHO.

Never eat anything during a trial myself. Occaisionally a drink of water if it's hot but dont find the need. BTW i'm a lot older than 40 something. Seem to remember being told in another life that bad idea to eat whilst doing strenious sports. OK trials isnt that strenious but apparantly your metabolism isnt set up to process food and exercise at the same time. Cramps are usually down to a build up of lactic acid so remember to relax the muscles before each section and if you have problems then drink lots of water as dehydration doesnt help either.

Whats the point ? The hop and bop brigade will slag off non stop as the work of satan and the non stop followers will do the same about the fannying about that is stop and roll back whatever. Nobody seems to care about what is best for the sport at ALL levels just spectators, sponsorship, being a professional rider etc blah blah blah

Looks genuine enough and a good basis to start building on. They are a great bike. Wish i had kept my old one which Mick modified to 270 ported and shortened inlet tract, custom silencer etc and she pulled like a train. Enjoy

When i try to rope people in to observe the most common reason they give for not doing so is that they have recieved or experienced in the past abuse or arguements from riders and they dont want to observe again because of that. Seriously thats the most common response i get. Second is they dont want to "get it wrong". It may be different in your area and clubs there are obviously inundated with people wanting to observe but i do know a lot of clubs struggle especially in this centre to get all sections observed. At our last trial only two turned up. The fact that you decided to observe a non stop trial to your own interpretation of what you consider the rules should be is between you and the clerk of the course and nothing to do with me.

Thats why every club is now struggling to get any observers at all. Wont be long before all the observing will be riders observing each other.

But like thats gonna happen ? How many of these riders turn out each month to set out their clubs trials ? Hope you get my drift. Always get the moaners so you say "ok next time you come and help set out" do they turn up ? well what do you think?

The Peak Classic Trials Club held round 4 of their club championship at Dudwood Farm, Elton nr Matlock Derbyshire last Sunday 20th May and were blessed with an excellent turnout of 48 riders but sadly only 2 observers but this didn’t deter the riders from enjoying a great days sport in the beautiful Derbyshire Peak district as they all pulled together and observed each other. Well done lads. The weather on the day was much kinder than of late and with summer just around the corner it stayed fine and dry which kept the 11 sections in prime condition and all three routes remained doable for all classes for the whole four laps. It was really nice to see a new face and Matthew Mison brought his immaculate Matchless to Derbyshire to take the win in the Expert British Bike class for a loss of 44 marks. Matthew said he really enjoyed the trial and the two hour drive from grimsby was definitely worth it. We really look forward to seeing him again at one of our future trials as we are desperate to get more of the big capacity British singles at our events. The Expert Twinshock class was a close fought affair with Bob Gent coming out top on his Fantic losing 12 just piping John Walker, Majesty, on 13 and John Fearn, Honda, who lost 15. Another closely fought David and Goliath battle was the Classic Expert British Bike class with evergreen Pete Carson on his rigid Bantam, just taking it from Mick Atmore on his Big Red Bike Trifield, by one mark both losing marks on the same section, section 4 a rocky climb up the stream with a slippery muddy exit, but Peter only dabbed once whilst Mick had two. Nice one guys In the Classic Expert Twinshock category Ashley Hallows took the win to pull ever closer to current Championship leader Anthony Sprinks. Ashley losing 20 to Tony’s 25 this is going to go down to the wire at the end of the year. Close fought battles were the order of the day in the Classic Intermediate class too with Pete Elvidge just taking it from Cliff Bradley on the most cleans tie decider both competitors losing 7 marks. You had to feel sorry for Cliff but it could so easily have been a three way thing as John Morely on his Honda came third on 8 marks. With the weather of late being so temperamental the Clubman route was eased considerably during laying out but there were still some great rides worthy of mention with Graham Dukes on his BSA C15 losing a miserly 5 marks to seal the win from Jim Wickstead,BSA B40, who lost 26 marks in second place. The Clubman Twinshock win was a walk in the park for Jims son Sean Wickstead on his Honda who kept his feet on the pegs all day to stay clean keeping Paul Smedley, also Honda mounted, in second place on 14 marks lost. Last but by no means least it was fantastic to see ex ACU East Midlands Centre multiple Championship winner Barrie Rodgers back on form taking the win in the Clubman Pre95 Air Cooled Monoshock class. Barrie kept his losses to a credible 9 to close on Championship leader Graham Lyons who lost an uncharacteristic 18 marks to take second. Looking at all the scores, especially those of the clubman competitors, the decision to ease the sections on the Saturday was the right one and we will try to maintain this sort of level at the remaining trials this season. So the action now moves on to Carson’s Farm for round 5 on 24th June start time 11.00. See you there. For more details along with Club Champoinship positions see our website www.peakclassic.co.uk Expert British Bike 1st Matthew Mison Matchless 44 marks Expert Twinshock 1st Bob Gent Fantic 12 marks 2nd John Walker Majesty 13 marks 3rd John Fearn Honda 15 marks Classic Expert British Bike 1st Peter Carson Bantam Rigid 1 mark 2nd Mick Atmore Trifield 2 marks 3rd Derek Carson Bantam 18 marks Classic Expert Twinshock 1st Ashley Hallows Yamaha 20 marks 2nd Anthony Sprinks Bultaco 25 marks 3rd Ian Bend Bultaco 27 marks Classic Expert Pre95 Air Cooled Monoshock 1st Gary Martin Yamaha 45 marks Intermediate British Bike 1st Colin Fray Dot 28 marks 2nd Mark Elvidge Francis Barnett 36 marks Intermediate Twinshock 1st Stephen Eyre SWM 33 marks 2nd Mark Kearsley Yamaha 71 marks Classic Intermediate British Bike 1st Paul Beswick James 8 marks 2nd Rob Goodwin Francis Barnett 27 marks Classic Intermediate Twinshock 1st Peter Elvidge Honda 7 marks 2nd Cliff Bradley Majesty 7 marks 3rd john Morley Honda 8 marks Clubman British Bike 1st Graham Dukes BSA C15 5 marks 2nd Jim Wickstead BSA B40 26 marks 3rd Peter Cotterell Bantam 44 marks Clubman Twinshock 1st Sean Wickstead Honda 0 marks 2nd Paul Smedley Honda 14 marks 3rd Stephen Baker Yamaha 22 marks Clubman Pre95 Air Cooled Monoshock 1st Barrie Rodgers Yamaha 9 marks 2nd Graham Lyons Honda 18 marks

The engines missing plus it's a rigid but definately not Pre65

Shame the cut off is 1960 but i thank them for that crumb. Very rare i have anything to thank the gov for.

Always sad to hear of a loss to the sport. Condolences to his family. R.I.P.

Well started laying out 11 sections for Sundays Trial and the landowner Barry Burton has been doing a bit of earthmoving so theres a new section and we are the first club to use it plus i have been listening to some of the feedback i have been getting from the club members and tried my best to vary the sections as much as the terrain allows to give a fresh feel. There is a mixture of climbs, stream sections, tree roots and mud. I've also tried to keep the tighter turns to a minimum so flowing sections abound. Must say i was surprised and pleased how dry Dudwood was after the rain of late but as we have had a few showers this evening i will be going down again tomorrow to check and alter any sections that have been affected by the showers. All in all a great day out assured this Sunday at Dudwood Farm see you there. Dont be late start time 11.00 am.Entries close 15 mins before the start.

Strange really when you think about it how did we arrive at the current width of Renthals then? Personally i've no idea. I know the bend changed in line with some of the top riders preferences but how did we arrive at the current std width?

Well the topic title almost says it all. Due to a cock up somewhere along the line the trial on Sunday has been ommitted from Trials & Moto Cross News Regs available and "whats on". I will be posting a bit more info later on when i've been to lay out but could you please let any of your friends know that the trial, even though it doesnt appear in T&MX, is most deffinately on. Start 11.00. Entries close 15 mins before the start. Venue: Dudwood Farm, Elton, Derbyshire Expert, Classic Expert, Intermediate, Classic Intermediate and Clubman routes. Classes for : British Bikes, Pre 85 twinshocks, Pre 95 Air Cooled Monos and Trickshocks Please bring an observer if you can For more details see our website www.peakclassic.co.uk Hopefully see you there?

You should always change front and rear sprocket together as a pair along with the chain. That way they all wear in together and last longer. A worn chain on a new sprocket will knacker it in no time plus as the front rotates possibly four times more than the rear if the rear is worn the front and chain most definately will be. Fronts are cheap enough as are chains so false economy to run worn parts on new. IMHO of course