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Might be more to do with hurting himself on that front. Probably suffering from not running more often indoors. Maybe the format should be tweaked to allow three riders with one dropped score.

I presume the Gas Gas is an early Pro or late TXT. In that case the Sherco, if a well looked after one, will feel better anyway. Just check it's general condition and how well the engine and gearbox/clutch feel. You don't want to go from a Good 2004 bike to a Bad 2008. Other than that the 2008 Sherco's were the last of the "old" frame and compared to the Gas Gas tube frame and the Beta Evo they are a bit dated looks wise. Still a good club bike and it will feel "lighter" than the 2004 Gasser.

Ok I have a Map and the Riders card but the only sections open to spectators will be those in Dob Park, Browns Wood and the "Splash" just down from Dob itself where a Butty Van will be open all day. I can supply the map via email On condition those restrictions are observed.

Talked to one of the Members and it's a figure Eight from Dob Park. Sorry I don't have much more info but I will ask.

Rider List and Start Times now available on http://www.yeadon-guiseleytrials.co.uk Website.

Haven't heard of a stator going in a while on a Beta and John Lampkin is pretty good regarding backup so don't let that put you off. It is pretty confusing but you'll find most riders are happy with their "brand" mainly due to them being comfortable on the bike.

They have to meet MOT standards these days so you don't want to have to re-do it if it fails. Witter ones seem to be about £50-£100 cheaper for a Fixed one on a MK1 Focus than mine so you should be down Under £200 for a basic one. You only need a single electric one so that cuts costs. Remember if it fails you have the bike and trailer as well as anything it hits to worry about replacing. That could be a lot of money just to save a little. They are also guaranteed for life because of that.

All of them do the job. Sherco is smaller and the problems with fuelling seem to be sorted so might be better for a Small rider. However the Beta and Gas Gas are pretty much even. The Gasser remains the Trickier with the Beta not far behind. Many seem to be going the Ohlins route on the Beta lately and it seems to be slightly better on power whereas the Gasser is revvier. It's pretty much a case of they are all pretty well sorted and problems seem to be down to bad OEM components or bad manitenence. I would try them all if you can and choose the one the rider is most comfortable on.

You don't have a location but in Yorkshire I can reccomend ECCO in Shelf between Bradford and Halifax. I had a Detachable Witter "flange" fitted for my Dave Cooper rack. £345 fitted to a Chevrolet Cruze. I should think the Focus would be cheaper as it's a more common model.

The Beta REV50/80 is lighter than the Gas Gas 80 although the newer ones do seem to use a different frame so that may not apply. It also seems to be that Lampkins import more of them probably because the older Gassers were seen as unweildy for the Kids and it was the natural step for REV50 riders when they got big enough.

Let's say you use Red/Blue for the Hard Course and Yellow/White for the Clubmen. If the Yellow is halfway between the Red and the Green would you penalise the Hard Course rider if they "Dislodge" the Yellow? And Yes I have seen a course set out like that several times.

As an explanation I would mark Q3 as a five as the rider is pulling the wheel "over" the flag. Hence they are outside the course. The Other courses Flag is debatable as I would not five a rider when a flag for another course lies between their flags.

1St Scenario No mark given. 2nd 5 "Out of Course". 3rd 5 "Out of course".

Okay so now you change the circumstances . Yes IF the observer HAD to put the flag back up then yes that is a five. If you insist on keeping details to yourself then I will not bother trying to second guess you.

And in this case you and the observer were wrong!!! If the Marker flag does not need to be moved back or replaced then no mark is picked up by the rider. Check your ACU Handbook. I Cut and pasted the rule from the Online PDF of the Handbook.

You didn't really come up to be honest and do remember that if the Wheels run over or the rider flattens the flag than that can be deemed to be "Crossing the tape or marker". The Problems occur when a rider "brushes" a flag and a five is given without the observer having to do anything.

Further to my observation that many observers do not know the rules here's one that drives many riders mad. The ruling on flags isn't "touching" or even Pushing a flag. it's h) The rider is held responsible for displacing a marker or support in an observed section whereby the observer considers it necessary to reinstate the flag /marker prior to the passage of the next rider The displacing of a marking not relating to the competitor

Looking at the lack of marks dropped I'd say the sections were too easy and not "proper" sections. The trial then comes down to who is fittest and can concentrate best. As for Minders I don't remember them being in the S3 at all maybe you remember them back in the distant past??

I'd say watch the most experienced observers you can and check how they mark to the rules they are observing to. Then I'd check the actual rules and see how they match up. One thing I saw and marked as a five I went and checked. It actually wasn't a five but everybody I talked to including the CofC would have marked it as a five. I "ease" the rules when I mark certain clubs or events because they either don't or can't set out to the rules they use or the riders are Beginners and being flexible helps in those circumstances.

Will you all stop using the definition of failure as being "The Front wheel stops Moving". That is not what is written in the Handbook. What is written and it is copied exactly is. "(i) The machine ceases to move in a forward direction." Nothing to do with the wheels. Both can be locked up and providing the Bike is moving FORWARD it is not a Failure. Too many people here just have no idea WHAT the rules are.

When is a Knee down a 5? At best it's a one unless you consider it to be a "catch" of the knee when riding. I agree all those rides could be clean under TST22B and also could be a five. Even Dan hesitates and I've seen some observers turn away instantly they see it. Like I said it's too easy to be inconsistent in a section let alone between observers at different sections. I refused a board this weekend at a No-Stop Trial and believe me I was biting my tongue at times watching sections. Oh and to those who observe on the front wheel moving the question is... was the "bike" moving. If it was and you five'd a rider you were wrong.

Unfortunately they tend to be more inconsistent in "no-Stop".

Used them to get to Youth Nationals for a couple of years. It is tight but they do go in. The "NEW" one should be even better as it appears to be bigger.

Just picked this up on Facebook. Dibs playing tribute along with The organisers of the Penrith World round.

Well Yoda I think I get your Meaning but I had to use the "Force".