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I Doubt it. Many clubs still have Stop rules and prefer them. As I stated I don't like the tactics employed here.

Sounds like either the peg, peg mount or kick start are bent in some manner. Check them against another Gasser and see.

I am bloody annoyed by this. It was not communicated to the general membership that the rules were on the AGM's Agenda. I didn't know this and am very disappointed as I am supposed to be one of the main avenues for news from Yeadon Guisleley. It very much seems that certain members of the club decided to keep the agenda "quiet" in order to get the result they wanted. Personally I feel disappointed that I could not give the opportunity to those members who wished to stay TSR22A to vote. If this is the way TSR22B "supporters" are going to act this could get very messy!!

Guy on Pistonheads wanted to be able to ride to his local practice area so he'd kitted his REV4 out for longer range riding. Everything comes off in 2 mins so if he feels the need he can ride to trial and strip it down ready.

First I'd make sure you can ride what you have. Many riders spin up lose traction and stop because they use too much power. Concentrate on getting your right hand under control and getting the best out of the bike. It's all about having the right amount of throttle at the right time. To do that you also need to get the bike balanced and at the right angles in a section. I'd say make sure the bits you are touching, pegs, bars grips and airbox feel "right". Adjust, get different bars, levers, grips and pegs if they don't feel right. Then get working on riding. Adjust things until you are comfy. Ninety percent of riders will never need to change any more than that. You can "Bling" them up in all sorts of ways. Change the Reservoir tops to match the bike. slap on some Plastic "protection". Most bikes end up on the deck so slapping on some fork and frame guards makes for a worthwhile investment. Then once you are having a good time on the bike and getting the results you like then look at Power and engine and suspension mods. Generally the Bike you have will have the "short" S3 Titanium pipe. The "Long" pipe "softens" the power and places it down the rev band. You can put different heads and gaskets on the cylinder to change the power delivery. You can "weight" the Flywheel to keep the engine going if you have trouble "stalling" at low revs. The Kehin Carb is good for Smoothing out the Power and increasing it thoughout the rev range. The Best mod is replace the Sachs Shock with an Ohlins or the Reiger because the bike will have more than enough power but the better shocks give better traction and feel.

Personally I'd like to see a design use the full potential of Electric motors. For example would a Hub motor be better than one in the conventional position allowing for bigger batteries. Could the Batteries be in the frame? COuld we have a more skeletal fram design really taking the weight and weight distribution to new levels?? Yes they could be the future but I'd like to see more radical thoughts on them. Perhaps that's where British Designers should be looking??

Trouble is they'll only do one lap...... Besides. If they think redically there is no need to stick with the Conventional layout.

The club apologises for any inconvinience or disappointment this may cause but the E class organiser feels the venue is not suitable at this time for an OSET round.

ACU Only changed the rules. But the rule just states that if a flag has to be "re-plnted". However as it isn't "your" route and I wouldn't have 5-ived you. The resaoning I have is that even if the flags are planted together the track you take may bring you into contact with a flag on the other route. This particularly applies where the flag for one route is in the middle of another set of flags for a different route.

Nice Insult!!! There aren't any crap clubs anywhere. Easy Trials just don't breed good riders. As I said the centre championship is between two clubs that run STOP rules and the Centre Championship is run using both sets of rules. Hence where is this "levelling" you refer to. As for the riders you refer to. Well I'm pretty sure Dibs, Jack Challonor, Jon Richardson, Rich Sadler, Zac Sherwin, Danny Gamble etc are names you may have heard of and they do tend to ride pretty well themselves.

Riders will do that. I've done it myself for my Son. However Spectators asked to spend a lot of money, time and Holiday to get to a area miles off the beaten track for one day? I will be getting tickets for Carlisle. That's because it's easy to get to and I don't need to scrabble for accommodation. If asked I'll even look into being an observer.

Fort William had a number of problems none related to the rules. The area is well setup for the SSDT but two major Trials in an area miles away from anywhere? Yes it is setup for tourists so in theory there is plenty of accommodation. However for the SSDT it's just coming out of "low" season and the SSDT kick starts the year. At the time of the WTC the Tourist season is in full flow with accommodation at a premium. The distance for most isn't a problem for the SSDT after all it's a full week. For the WTC 1 or 2 day event it's a long way off the main roads just to go for that event. For a WTC it's not an ideal venue.

The Yorkshire Centre is evenly Split regarding Stop and No Stop. In the case of Yeadon Guiseley the riders determined that the club switched to STOP. The Best riders in the Centre come from clubs riding STOP. The top two clubs competing for the best club in the centre have TSR22A Stop rules. The Yorkshire Centre is NOT a No-Stop area. Yes Ripon and Richmond have Large entries but neither can compete at Centre level as they have fewer of the best riders. In the case of Ripon to be frank they only have one Centre level rider. He is pretty good as well!!!! but not because he rides Ripon trials which apart from the Centre events they hold are basic Beginners and Novice Trials. They do not even have a club championship. What does this say about Trials? Well basically a lot of riders want easy Trials. Well that's fine and I hear a lot about putting a "few" hard setions into S3 Trials and making that the "new" BTC. Again fine, But there arre already two courses on the S3. You put in some harder sections and you WILL get riders whinging about how hard it is and they need a 50/50 and make the easier course easier. All the time the sport gets Easier. Meanwhile the riders who want a "Hard" course are short changed. The Problem is it is a leisure sport. The Bikes cannot be used sensibly on the road. That limits the numbers. It's the same in all Motorsport except where the cars/bikes are all the same. you have 5-10 people who can win and the rest fighting over the minor placings. They aren't called "Aliens" in Motogp for nothing.

Usually have ours cut to length by the supplier. Lots easier!!

I observe in the Yorkshire centre. I have seen plenty of "different" C of C attempts at making a Trial. It's not difficult to make an easy trial. It also not difficult to make a hard trial. The "top" lads of which I include my Son who hates "easy" Trials want a Trial where 20 to 40 marks dropped is the norm. Try that with the "Clubmans" course and they stay away. I have been to Richmond Trials and the sections for the harder course are not always "no-stop". In Fact many times you cannot do a section without Hopping. Yes they get a lot of entries in club trials but that is down to location. Many of those Riders don't "come down" to the central and southern part of the area. As for Centre Trials I don't see any more riders at Richmond as any others. Again the Riders who "do" the centre's tend to go to all of them, however, Yet Again with regard to Club and Centre Trials you get an entry dependent on the clubs reputation but mainly on dates. If nothing else is on you get a big entry. The reputation of the SSDT and Scott also get a "good" entry. In Many cases some riders are entered because the dealers want their riders there. In the case of the rules I can think that some riders will AVOID TSR22A and some TSR22B. In all cases if you set the Trial out right for the rules you run No problem. BUT do let the observers know. I have run at Trials with 22A where an observer insists that 22B should be applied. In one notorious case A section had to be pulled at a Centre where the Observer insisted the rules were 22B where the club had always been 22A. The Problem is not always the rules. It's the riders who insist they are better than they are. Sorry but many riders who think they are great merely never come to a "hard" Trial or meet "good" riders. They then moan about how they would have won under the other "rules". The "good" riders are there already on merit. To beat them you get out and run with them and hopefully improve. If you can't enjoy the day out and ride as well as you can!!

I suspect the difference is in the engine. It's a heavy(-ish) lump made in the thousands probably for very little. The Pro engine on the other hand is a specialised lightweight unit with a very small gearbox. There are also a few other more "standard" Parts like the Forks which are not the Marzocchi's found on the Pro will also add up.

Main problem is the range on a trial. As a friend found out when having to drag back his child's OSET on Sunday.

The BTC has three classes in all you get over 50 riders plus Minders. That's 100 in all. Yes the TOP class did have one round where the numbers were down to 6 but overall the ROUND had a large number of entries at all rounds despite the fact the ACU limit the entries. As for the S3 championship I won't go into the specifics again but Trials Motorcycles on Public roads is not sustainable.

I'm sorry but are you aware how many Riders you need for a Trial. Say goodbye to the younger element and you can say "Cheerio" to your club!! You may think Clubs are rich beyond avarice, but organise a trial with 30 - 40 riders and you break even, less and the club haemorrhages cash at an alarming rate. It all depends on the cost of land and officials but the majority of clubs live hand to mouth.

Agree with the rest of the posters. IRIS chains don't last. I use the RK MX520 and they last a LONG time. Used Renthal as well and they are very good but I find them difficult to get hold of.

But many of those riders do pick and choose which events to ride in. The majority of most S3 entries tend to be older "locals" with a few younger riders. I would also say that many are road based Trials as well which will limit their entires, (or it SHOULD do).

Good Point about the younger riders. Most have been brought up on Stop rules and don't like "no-Stop". The SSDT and the Scott are often brought up as Successful "no-Stop" trials. They are however getting to be more "Enduro" than Trials and that type of timed event depends on riders getting though sections ASAP.

No-Stop is exactly what it says, balanced or not. Some confusion was down to how many interpreted the "old" TSR22A where a Balanced stop got a one and a stopped foot down was given a five, (or not), and also the "Stop" rules seemed to "blur" into the No-Stop for a few observers. Again it is down to the CofC to put down the course that his riders want. One other thing. Ride the course you CAN ride. Yes if you start winning that regularly then move up. Too many riders whinge about courses when they are not good enough to ride the course they are on.

"What is better - a rideable trial with observers and the odd mark you are not happy with or - harder trials with no or few observers where you can mark yourelves and cheat as much as you like. Cheers" Unfortunately I have observed at both TSR22A and B Trials that fall into both categories. Hence a change of rules makes no odds. As I see it if you want the entries set an "easy" trial. Then you get over 100 entries. Set a "Hard" trial or even one that takes a few marks and basically the riders stay away. There seems to be a set of riders who want "Novice/Beginners" Trials at all levels and basically many clubs need the riders to turn up. They do not do themselves any favours as they never get any better and grumble at observers.