October 22, 20169 yr So, we all go on about events for the classics and then there are 4 on the same day. Why can't people talk to each other in order to avoid calendar clashes like this?
October 22, 20169 yr Dont know. Ive just sent my 2017 calendar out to the other two Classic clubs in this area. Expecting to see copies of theirs soon. When we were an ACU club you had to go to a "dates meeting" where this was discussed however this was in November for the following year. Problem was the "nationals" werent announced till early the next year when you had all agreed dates and confirmed to landowners. That was just the East Midlands Center. Then only a few miles away you had the Yorkshire Center who never discussed with the East Midlands and of course all the other Centers didnt either. Thats why we suffered from date clashes and still do. Now we are AMCA nobody from the ACU clubs or otherwise talks to us anyway. Always said it would come down to "last man standing".
October 23, 20169 yr Is the answer that you all post your dates on here !! Then it does not matter if you are AMCA or ACU. There are a couple of people who kindly and very helpfully post combined lists in some areas.
October 24, 20169 yr So why does it need two governing bodies? In our case it was quite simple. Cost. ACU is more expensive plus they demanded i police the riders having up to date current competition licenses for them while with the AMCA you dont need a license. As with most clubs we struggle for entries and i couldnt afford to turn people away. On top of that was all the stupid politics and meetings etc you had to attend while the AMCA just leave you to get on with it. Other clubs make their own decisions but thats in a nutshell why we changed over. As for Wallo's question "So why does it need two governing bodies?" it doesnt but there are.
October 24, 20169 yr This sounds very familiar... would I be correct to guess ACU is affiliated with FIM and AMCA isn't ? ...
November 12, 20169 yr This sounds very familiar... would I be correct to guess ACU is affiliated with FIM and AMCA isn't ? ... Yes Broadly speaking regardless of who is running what under whom, we (organisers) should be able to talk to each other to get a beneficial (ie less/no clashes). obviously real life is more complex, this year the world dates have been very late, preventing the announcement of nationals, which of course affects local dates. Other factors cause dates to be awkward, such as local considerations, other sports / events people are involved in, etc (eg we're moving a trial because most my organising team are going to the MX des Nations). What might affect you where you are doesn't occur/affect someone else and vice versa.
November 20, 20169 yr So why does it need two governing bodies? It doesn't, but if there was only one governing body, with a monopoly and no competition then that could turn bad eventually - charging silly fees for licences etc.
November 21, 20169 yr It doesn't, but if there was only one governing body, with a monopoly and no competition then that could turn bad eventually - charging silly fees for licences etc. If you want an example of this just look at Spain. The cost of their licenses etc will take your breath away.
November 22, 20169 yr or looking at it another way we get it too cheap. Really ? After all its not a licence - it proves nothing other than a registration card.There is no proof of competence or qualification,so why should it cost any more - esp as the AMCA seem to manage happily without it. Trials has always been a low money sport,ramping up costs would spoil it,probably forever.
November 22, 20169 yr Keep it cheap,Beginners can come along and have a bash for less than £20 at our local clubs. Knock on effect is plenty of new folk coming through. Last thing I want is trials developing into some elitist middle class domain like most other sports, even at my wee boys football you can't move for BMWs these days. Don't imagine the club scene anywhere is a patch on the UK Be interesting to know how numbers stack up comparing here with Spain.
November 22, 20169 yr I fail to understand why the two organisations ACU and AMCA are getting such negative comments, without them who would represent us at national level to whoever happens to be having a dig at motorcycle sport, who would keep an eye on changing legislation that could affect our pastime or assist in legal matters when problems arise. It is easy to complain about this or that maybe justifiably sometimes but both bodies are needed especially when dealing with the likes of defra.
November 22, 20169 yr I believe there is a need for both (a low cost option for those who just want to give it a try or have a more laid back experience AND a FIM internationally affiliated sport group) but the need should be explainable and the 2 should work together to improve the sport for everyone. I have been pushing this idea for years here in Canada as we also have 2 organizing bodies that always seem to be at odds and seem to lack communication skills. There are those that think if you got rid of the low cost option everyone would be forced to pour their support and $ into the FIM option and that level of support would drive great growth in the sport. My experience has been if you try to force people into doing something they don't want they just stay home.
November 22, 20169 yr re cost both sides are right a cheap sport with low entry fees, low insurance, low licence fees is good for creating a low barrier to entry, etc a dearer sport would raise more money to do more things. some people would like funds to be raised to do stuff - be it political lobbying, training future stars, buying land, investing in venues, etc.
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