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Are HP and torque numbers available for the standard Beta 300 4t, maybe with rpm numbers? I have one of those too. In a tight section, the Montesa feels much more powerful so I need to use very little throttle. I thought it was overall more powerful. However, the other day I took it to some open trails with good size hills. There it feels similar to the Beta. I wonder if there is a real power difference or if the fuel injection just makes it more responsive.

Hello friends. I’ve become the owner of a wrecked 1987 BETA TR34, which is now running again, although it still needs quite a few things to be fully finished. In any case, it’s already rideable, but I have a problem with the clutch. According to the available parts catalogues, it seems that at some point in the past someone replaced the clutch basket with a 1989 model, because mine is an open-type basket, while the catalogue shows that it should be closed around the perimeter (and based on posts I’ve read here on the forum, the closed one should actually be better than the original type). The problem is that the clutch slips at higher RPM. I would like to ask if anyone has the specifications or measurements of the pressure springs in the clutch basket, and if you could share them. Mine seem visually a bit tired, and after measuring them they’re about 36 mm long — but I haven’t found any information anywhere about what the correct length should be when they are in good condition. The friction plates are in nice shape (around 3.6 mm if I remember correctly) and the steel plates also look OK — around 2 mm thick, not warped or discolored from overheating. Thank you very much for any clarification. Martin Gáborko

Yes that normal trashy clutch sound in neutral the 5 plate Montesa clutch does not exhibit, the TRS o-ring fail was very early after receipt of the bike, was leaking down from the start. Fortunately I rarely have clutch problems with any of my vehicles, that tractor lube works perfect, you just never even tried it to know better.

That is 'nornal' on a diaphram clutch! The oring should not go bad if you are using mineral oil. Must be that tractor lube!

Yes 2 and experienced a failure in a TRS clutch O-ring already. The clutch is not up to par with HRC Cota 315 or 4RT, I have to keep it engaged or it sounds like a bag of bolts.

You were repying to me, again! LOL The Montesa clutch has never been very good ever. But we all have opinions. You should know better. Don't you ride a TRS now?

any particular reason you made that a reply to my post or is that just a habit 🤔

There is a reason the hrc machines use a different clutch.

The 4RT 301RR makes a pathetic 16.3 HP , 1 HP more than a VERTIGO 125 but the 301RR puts out 15.1 ft/lbs torque , where as the VERTIGO 125 makes 8.8 ft/lbs . With that much torque output of the 301 it may be better leaving it with the stock clutch spring set up. 4RT 260 makes 15.6 HP and 13.4 ft/lbs torque

Personally I think you are trying to improve the best clutch in the industry. Hasn't been mentioned yet but there are 2 types of friction plates in the Cota clutch, 3 corks and 2 paper, the consensus was the paper plate gives the clutch more bite, or absorbs less oil and exhibits less compression, depending how you look at it. Key to making the clutch pull lighter is not to weaken the clutch but to improve your clutch actuator leverage at the levers, the further you hold the lever out from the pivot point the more leverage you have against the hydraulics and the greater your friction range is.

The plate holds the springs straight. They other wise rub on the towers. The springs are much lighter. Available from Webike.

There are springs and plate available which improves the clutch feel. of course it`s only available in Japan.

It is a chamber but will never be an expansion chamber like we found on enduro motorcycles simply because the shape and position is not right.

I managed to rip it out, turns out the baffle tube is titanium just like the outer. Took about 4 hours of hammer, lever bar and brute force. NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED! I repacked the silencer while I was at it. Started the bike up in the shed and very crisp note, slightly louder. I'm interested to see what it rides like potentially utilising the expansion chamber shape for the first time ever...!

like you said it works the reverse way, the springs push the plates out to the pressure plate on the end, when operated the pressure plate pushes toward the engine and releases the clutch. I've only ridden a few 4RT's and found the clutch to be of a light action so I would compare yours to others before adjusting the springs. It may be you have another issue

Thanks for the clarification. I was installing some spacers to reduce spring preload. I planned to pop the plates out to see if it had dimpled plates but was surprised that the plates could not just slip out. It is sort of the reverse of every other bike clutch I have ever had apart. I learned something new.

Well unless you want to let out all of the packing behind that baffle I wouldn't recommend it. I can't say for sure on the beta but all of the 2T bikes I have worked on have behind the baffle is one of a few different kinds of packing... Video of an older Sherco getting a re-pack.

Take a look from 4-42 to 4-45 of the service manual. should help enlighten how the clutch works. (2020 301 RR service manual: https://www.montesa.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/OSM-301RR-2020-EN-Web_V04.pdf )

Cool thanks for posting. Gee haven't ridden. Rain on last trial and a few other bikes needed thier wheels rotated every other sunday in the manner of which they demanded and I am but their humble servant. Edit, sorry ever other made it sound 2 weekly. I meant every Sunday other than the rained out Trial. But Sunday looks good to have a proper test at a low key trial, ideal.

You can use a Gas Gas Belville spring there a little softer I took the Belville spring and ground it thinner it worked great

Sorry, im no help. Now I know what's inside that front triangle section anyway. I know you can buy a more conventionally shaped aftermarket front pipe from s3 or the likes for the beta, that I guess doesn't have the baffle

Beta Evo 300 2013 factory

What bike is it?

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