hondanut

i saw one of the organisers recently and he did not mention it, so i suspect they are not ready for release as yet.

my cota 247 snapped the extra flywheel weight many years ago, it looked exactly like that.

my xr200r barrel says 199cc whilst my tlr200 says 194cc, so there may be a difference, and i think the tlr piston is dished as well to give a lower compression, i know the at 185 piston is dished.

if you do not mind a bit of traveling the somerton amca are a good club and cater for pre-65 and twin shock, nothing too silly esp on the easy route, they have one on 27 dec in a quarry, see tmx for details.

i have several bike with these bushes and this is how i do it. use a holesaw almost the same diameter as the rubber and drill out as much rubber as you can, then using a dremmel or simmilar grind away at the outer sleve untill it is almost through, then collapse it with a small punch or screwdriver. i also turned down some steeel to use as a driver to get the new ones in, but dont push them in too far as you will want a good tight fit on the sprocket. note: some after market sprockets are a bit thinner than the original ones and unless you use some wahsers will move about quite a bit. i hope that helps.

i dont know what back wheel is fitted to the sealy, but the xl185 rear wheel spindle does a good job as a puller, might be easier to get hold of from a dealer.

not sure, but i think the xl 185/125 brakes are the same size as the tlr250, as they are bigger than the tlr200 ones, they maybe easier and cheaper to get.

i too saw this, and it sure looks to me like a tlr, all of the rs200/250 i have seen have a silver engine, and a different tank/seat ect. as you say only a pic of the engine no will show if the motor is an rs one.

i had also considered using an elec start motor in my special, if you use the xlr200 engine you can use almost all of it, as it has a similar ignition to the tlr, ie in the lhs casing and all you would want is the coil, as the casing are the same as well, and it would be a 200cc, the gearing would be different, but you could experiment with the rear sprocket. or you could get one of these:- http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LIFAN-200cc...emZ280169571778 postage to the uk is

i used my xl 185 engined special for 6 years without a decompresor cable, but after a few missed kicks it finally seized, so after a strip down found the 1st gear on layshaft all teeth angled off to the right, coresponding cog on shaft a bit worn, gear idler missing tooth, and corresponding gear on clutch worn, also casing where the kick stop goes to fully round, broken casing as well. luckily had alll the bits in spares, but if you had to buy new, approx

you cant use the rear spindle from the tlr as it is too small, the one from the xl 185 does fit as it is bigger, but yes you can change the cam chain in place, but you should change the guides as well, cos they are going to be worn just like the chain but that will require the engine to be taken out.

hi, welcome to the world of old bikes, my tlr has rubbish brakes despite doing all i can, i now ride without using brakes hardly at all, just use engine braking, and hope & pray!

the problem seems to lie in the brake cam, the ones on the tlr are a 'D' shape where the flat part of the shoe is forced apart to activate the brake shoes outwards, so only one shoe actualy moves outwards, on the xl/xr brakes the cam is 'l' shaped, so both of the shoes move outwards. i thought that the drum was worn, but no more than my xl/xr drums, they are the same age after all, and they work much better! i thought my cam was worn so after buying a new one i compared it to the old one and it was the same, so as i have a few old back plates from my xl185 i noticed the difference in cam profile, i have since fitted the xl cam into the tlr back plate (whilst changing sprockets) and it does seem to be a bit more of a bite, i will be fitting the xl cam in the front brake, when my new tyre arrives, and i will be doing a trial soon to see if the brakes are better. i also noticed that the xl 185 front wheel will fit straight into the tlr forks, as the brake stop is the same fitting, same cable and same spindle size. but bigger drums size, could be another option, but a cheaper one is the xl 185 cam (front & rear is the same) which is available separately at about

do any of you forum members have a tlr 200 and found the brakes to be rubbish, not stopping you quickly enough even after new shoes? i also have an xl 185 based special, using xl wheels, (same age) and found those brakes to be much better at stopping you quicker, i know that the tlr has smaller shoes, but the difference is quite noticable, i may have found the reason, please let me know what yours are like.

if you want a reliable clubman bike, then yes a good bike, and when it is realy muddy, they do seem to find grip. but if you want to leap about and throw it arround then it may be just a bit heavy, i use 10/47gearing, which i find will tackle most things in second, first gear for realy tight turns just did a trial today (sunday) and there was about 10 there, they do seem to be getting more popular, especialy with novices, easier to ride than some 2 strokes, like the fantics.

it should be fairly easy, you can just separate the not wanted bit of the loom at the connectors and you can even keep the original on/off switch, just dont disconect the ignition system. i found it quite straight forward and took about 15 mins.

there are quit a few differences between the 2, tank, forks, fronthubs, swinging arm, stroke, as for gear internals i am not sure, there does not seem to be much info on the 250.

hi scoobie, give me your email address and i will email you a shot of my xr200 set up which is identitical, shaun, aka hondanut.

if you dont have the valve lifter connected then it will eventualy seize the kickstart shaft, i have had 2 sieze up, the cable goes to a small pear shaped lever near to the oil dipstick, this should move to the rear when you push on the kickstart, if this is not fitted then if the small inner shaft is still in the gearbox you can replace it all with new bits, (not too dear), from the out side, if the inners are missing then the cases have to be split, the haynes or clymer manual should cover the sealy as the engine is basicaly an xl185 engine, and not a tlr lump, as it has the cam end advance/retard and undertank electrics. i would certainly fit the decompressor as in a trial you are stop/starting much more often than road riding. david silver spares if your in the uk can supply the bits, good service. http://www.davidsilverspares.co.uk/ good luck

my sons ty 80 always felt a bit odd, then when i took it apart to rebuild, someone had not put in the small ball bearing between the clutch and rod, it made a small difference to the feel. you can check it without splitting the cases.

i have them fitted front and rear to my crf230f, could not afford x11, and they wear out too quick on roads, it can cope with most things, and dont suffer too much wheel wobble when run in lower presures. but if you can afford x11 then buy them for closed trials.

i have thousands of clip art shots and not one is a trials bike, plenty of scramblers, i have never seen any in 15 years of buying and using clip art, best of luck.

dont forget the rs engine is based on the xl 185 engine, where the tlr200 engine has a different ignition and no advance retard on the head, a much better system than the xr/xl design, why they did not fit it to these bikes at the same time is a mystery, also the tlr is 194cc where the xr200 is 199cc, there are a lot of differences, i have a xl125/185, xr200 tlr200 and now a crf230 and they look the same but once you dig deeper diferences stand out. an xl 125/185 carb will fit, but it gives it a lot more power and maybe too much for just trickling along slowly

the clubs that i ride with do not worry about a disc on a twinshock, but some championship rounds may not let you win anything, there seems to be 2 ways to get a disc on a tlr one is to get the disc, caliper and wheel from a later imported tlr, or to use the forks from a honda trail bike such as an xl125r or an mtx 125/200, my front brake on my tlr200 is absolutly rubbish, my xl 185 is better, bigger shoes, it does make you ride with the engine braking in use more often, but steep slipery downhills can get a bit scary!

welcome to the world of twin shocks with 4 strokes, i recently bought a tlr, after a ride on my mate 2 bikes, i ride much better than ever on my new bike than i ever though i would. there seems to be a lot of tlr's about now as there seems to be more coming in from japan, so they are not as exclusive as they were. you will find it reliable and easy to ride and quite economical as well. the only down side to tlr's is the initial high cost when a 2 stroke same age twin shock can be got for about 1/2 to 3/4 of the price, but the up side is you should be able to get more for it when you sell it. if you are local to somerset there are some excelent classic and twin shock trials nearby, well recomended.