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A mate had used this on his enduro bike and said it was the bees, anyone tried it on a trials Iron? http://www.nuetech.com/tubliss.shtml

I have one in Pentax colors, numb pig that goes like shlt off a stick.

Are you looking for somthing that will get a few more miles per tank in the highlands K ?.

I think they do need to do some serious testing and try come up with a way more can ride the sections, I can see Bou going for more of the gates and loosing a dab, then a rider like Haslam or Conner taking a couple of gates they feel secure riding and getting a better score in some sections, this alone should encourage more to ride, but at the end of the day, the best rider will still win the majority of the time. None of this will have any affect on what I ride, and I don't see much chance of the US using anything other than what they have now. I also think riders in the UK having the choice to ride stop or no stop wasn't a big problem, they rode what they preferred, but will it all change because they can't stick with one set of rules at the FIM?. When you say gate trials is a big enough game to be a different sport, world championship trials isn't like the sport I ride now anyway, would that be a bad thing ?.

I think it would improve spectator viewing, as the trial progresses, the riders would have to earn more points to keep in contention, also the sections have so many different line variable

What do you actualy know about gate trials Dabster? have you ridden one, set one up, do you know the rules, or is it more of a mate said it was shlte, so it must be. I think they tried some French spin off , of Gate trials, it gave partial scores even if you did foot in the section, again no matter what rules are used at world championship level, they have to be fair for alll riders and followed to the letter of the rule, this being leinient by observers because some rider tried hard or didn't stop for that long is making the whole game a joke to the public When I first was told how gate trials worked by the man who invented it, at first I thought he was talking out of his backside. After putting a few on and at least trying it, I can say I was wrong! and I think it would solve more problems than it would create at world championship level.

Poor bugger still doesn't know, it's like a bagochips, instead it's a cart load of graphy

Rather than cancell any sections because you don't have an observer BS, have a front marker go out with the first rider out, any section unmanned make the first rider to get it observe it, once the back marker closes the sections, that rider can then carry on with the rest of the trial. We have done it a couple of times so we could run a long single lap trial, worked great.

Cheers mate

Any aftermarket pegs out there, preferably bigger and lower than stock ?

Original gate rules allow you to stop, hop, back up use any skill you have to get through the section, but it most be clean.

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As I stated in a earlier post, I don't think the gate trial would fly at club level. for that simple reason you state, people now think any trial that you get more than 20 points in is way too hard. But the same sytem could solve many of the world championship problems because of the ability to choose an easier line option, cut out many of the judgment calls and give more riders a shot at the section, do you think Bou and Raga will be sticking to a few easier gates because they don't want to loose that dab, I think they will push the game just as now.

And this is were the problem lies with trials, any of the formats work properly when scored properly, but sections are observed and scored by different people, some score lenient and some score strict, a rider may get away with a stop clean when another rider has maintained forward motion yet scored three. The original Moorland gate system is strict on scoring , but it is also very fair to all the riders, the only way a rider records a failure, are for failing to clean the whole section, crossing their own track, breaking a boundary tape , falling off or timing out, the observer has to record the total of points scored, the rest are fairly easy to call this system takes many of the judgment calls out of the mix. Today's world rounds have many gates in them for the three classes anyway, all it would take is the gates would change color for a given value and all the riders would have the option of which and how many they feel they could take on, this would allow many more riders who are no longer eligible for youth or junior the chance to still compete at world level on sections or part of they feel more comfortable riding. I think the two biggest deterrents for riders attending world rounds are cost and section severity, cost can't be changed easily without cutting events, but the section can be changed, what used to boost entries was any given countries top riders riding the world rounds when they were close enough for them to attend without costing an arm and a leg, now the section difficulty has closed that option down for most, I think the gate format addresses this and allows good riders the chance to compete again because the probably could take on some of the gates in each and every section. How many UK or US riders could ride today’s youth line at world trials if they were eligible to do so?.

I think gate trials is way too harsh for club level, but would be perfect for world championship trials, it is also far enough away from club rules to not be taken up by clubs just to keep in line with the FIM. The world championship circus is a completely different game from the sport we all do, so why not except this fact and stop messing with club trials.

Nowt better than dropping a big reliable lump

They better get it right then, not many left. What would change if there was no world championship ? would the domestic championships have more participation.

I did do a poll many years ago Nige, the only question was what age group are you 15-20 20-25 25-30 30-35 35-40 and so on, I think over 50% were over 40.

I was just wondering today how many years has Trotters and witches burn been used in the SSDT, many good riders would both loose marks and clean the sections 25 years ago on twin shockers, yet they still do today on the modern bikes.

Clutch cover has a ding in it, when you lean it over it is just enough for the clutch hub to rub against it, easy cure, take it off and look for the ding, put the cover on a folded cloth and give it a tap with a hammer from the inside.

I have learned to milk the current rules for all they are worth, in it's a lot easier to ride under stop allowed, in a nadgery rocky section nothing big or dangerous I can get a bit wrong, stop put my foot down, correct my bike and get out for a dab, if the rules had been no stop it would probably been two or three. My idea of a good section is one that takes marks of the majority of riders but fives very few, yet still takes a good ride to clean it. The trials marshal are now faced with how to take marks off riders that can hop any corner and get up many steps with no run at all, they do so by making the section very tight and big. My question is, if points can be gleaned by making it nadgery and no stop, what is the point of scaring riders away by making it tight and big ?. From an observing point, I don't buy that it's harder to score no stop than stop allowed, and in my experience very few give you a five for a feet up hesitation or a bit of bounce. The machines evolved around the type of section they needed to be ridden in, but I dare bet the number of sales is way down from when the machines could also get a lot greater distance on a tank of fuel, sported a seat, and an actual rear mudguard that kept mud off you, those same machines also sold to other off road riders because they were capable of going places big bikes couldn't go. Would a minimum seat height and fuel capacity detract so much from what the bikes can already do, the majority of trials riders don

I think in the end it comes down to how the course is laid out in the first place, sections can be made tight enough to favor the trick rider and punish the more traditional style rider, but if laid out in a way that favors the traditional style rider where the corners can be turned on full lock and steps have a reasonable run up to them, riding styles would adapt more to no stop because momentum is an asset in trials. Up to the late eighties, all the trials I rode in the UK only had one line for the three classes, Novice, intermediate and expert, scores where quite high for the majority of riders in the bigger event's, but the high scores never seemed to bother the riders and the sections for the most part were very straight forward, clubs also ran club event's for Novice and Intermediate riders still only the one line but it seemed to work well. Since then extra lines have been added to events, and even extra classes to try keep all the classes of riders happy, even the scores for those classes only seem a fraction of what they used to be when all rode the same line, the more choices that have been added the more riders seem to complain. Isn't it about time we cut all the crap, and stopped trying to keep every bugger that has a moan happy, make the trial for the target entry, if you want to have a large entry of clubby riders, then cater for them, if you want six stars to show up, cater for them, the scoring rules don't make that big a difference, it's the event itself that gets riders coming back if the enjoy it, or not if they don't. On the world championship front, I think the domestic championships should be qualifiers for a world championship run over a few days towards the end of the year, then like the TDN countries with less participation and lower quality of rider could go for a B class award, I think more would attend if they only had to pay for one trip a year.

I would think the majority of club riders have gone through many rule changes and although not liked some of the changes have stuck with it because they like the sport and people that go along with it. To say you would stop riding trials if they do change the rules to full no stop is a bit soft in my book. When Doug started riding the full world championship series, the FIM changed the rules every year, somtimes twice, the good ones adapt and get on with it.

This topic could go on for another 6 pages if it's about who prefers what rules, isn't the real issue about falling numbers across the board ?. Yes! in the past 25 years, the riders, bikes and section have all got more spectacular, but for some reason over that same 25 years the participation in every aspect has dropped off. If the number of bikes sold is down and the cost of running a world team is way up, at some point the focus has to change from the sharp end and get back to the grass roots, I would like to know who the major player is that has supposedly pulled the plug, it will also be interesting to see what reason they give, probably summat along the lines of WOFTAM. The poor man's motor sport was at it's best when machines were cheap, and the sections were sensible.

Hope you get an entry Pete, you won't be no virgin come Mon evening if you do, in fact old slapper comes to mind. I talked Stan in to entering again, and plan on sending an entry in myself.