old trials fanatic

Not commenting on this trial as i have never ridden it but one thing that does come to mind is the reference to "Clubmen". Now at our trials the easiest route is denoted as the "Clubman route" the middle route as the "Intermediate route" and the hardest route as the "Expert route" However this is not the same everywhere as i notice some clubs have "Clubman routes" but they are definately too severe for the riders of our "Clubman route". I think sometimes this is where some riders get confused and enter trials which they have no experience of thinking that as they ride the "Clubman route" at their local club then the severity of the sections will be similar and of course that is not always the case. Did once think of calling the route of least severity at our trials the "Easy route" however i decided not to as this sounded derogatory and some would also say "Easy thats not easy!" Then again what is easy to one rider is hard or impossible to another as every Clerk of the course knows all too well. Good luck with the trial BTW.

Dont know about it's rarity but where do you get those kickstarts? Only ever seen a couple around and they seem much better than the standard ones that on my bike always foul the gear lever.

I realise that just commenting that it was a good idea in the first place and would also be a good idea if applied to the whole uk. As you say it's E&D's trial and they will do whatever they like. Still shouldnt stop free disscussion amongst trials enthusiasts though should it? This is a discussion forum after all. Nice to have a topic that doesnt degenerate into a slagging match and that has produced a positive and constructive outcome. May never be adopted but it's a good idea and i wish i had thought of it.

Sold em. Just got a 270 motor and the bits to build one. All i need is a frame. Oh yes and the dosh to pay Mick. Theres always a stumbling block isnt there LOL.

No i havent had chance to pop round to Micks since he came back from Canada, must rectify that soon, but i've heard on the grapevine that he has had some done but cant confirm. Think if he has they are the pre sold ones. I really wanted one but now i'm skint that aint gonna happen just have to put the motor and all the other bits back on the shelf hopeing for a lottery win then again i could always sell the Ossa and the Bultaco

Flooding the market may drive prices down LOL

Please dont shoot me down in flames because i think your idea is great and should definately be adopted however why should it just apply to Scotland? Are we not a United Kingdom so shouldnt that also apply to England, Wales and Northern Ireland ?

Funding the Bantam project ? good luck hope you get what you are looking for

Keep us all informed as to developments on the C15 Brian

Are you sure Dave? I find that hard to believe after all the photos that are sent in and the bikes are all carefully scrutineered to ensure they all comply with the regulations in all respects as we all well know

Thanks for the offer i'll have both then please LOL

Cant i borrow one of yours?

If you read my long answer why should anybody have to. The rider submits photos of the bike already along with his entry form and he should enclose written proof of riding in pre65 classes which he can print off club or championships websites. When a decision is made as to his entry somebody surely reads the current paperwork so all that is required is check proof of competing and tick elegability. Then off to the ballot unless the rider is already preselected. Dont see whats so hard about that? Dont see why it would even make more than 30 seconds more work per rider to read the corroboration. So why would anybody have to collate the information when it would be the entrants responsibility to provide it as they already have to provide photos etc? It's a principle thing do you think riders in the pre65 scottish should be riders who support pre65 trials by riding in them all year? Either you do or you dont but i reiterate as barnies suggestion it might help club entries north and south of the great divide. That last bit was meant as a humourous comment BTW

There you go off again what is it about you guys North of the Boarder? Obviously you are all doing such a perfect job of everything that there nothing but nothing that could ever be improved so nobody should ever make a suggestion in any form whatsoever that may ever be possibly interpretated as questioning even if by a miniscule amount what ever happens at the scottish pre65. Pardon me for ever doing anything but bowing and scraping whilst tugging my forelock to honour your combined greatness. That better? What i was eluding to was to agree with barnies post which infered that entrants should have ridden at least some pre65 trials in the run up to the scottish. Why is that such a hanious comment? Why should that be so impossible? I would be perfectly willing to provide, it's on our website anyway, confirmation that riders had ridden in pre65 class on what ever dates at our trials if required. What is so difficult about that? The details are also on the internet for the East Midlands Centre ACU Classic Championship with dates and venues and i am sure other centres have the same. What is so difficult about that? The Northern British Bike Rounds have full details available including dates and placings and i am sure other Classic Championships have similar. What is so difficult about that? The Sammy Miller Championship details and Championship standings are also freely available. What is so difficult about that? I would as a club secretary be perfectly happy to vouch that our Championship standings back up a riders validation and i am sure the club secretarys of any other club would do likewise. What is so difficult about that? Why do you always have to be so quick to jump on your high horse when anybody, or is it just me, tries to make a constructive suggestion? All the organisers would have to do is request corroboration that a rider has ridden in pre65 trials classes however many times the organisers would like. The rider would supply this along with the photos the organisers currently require to access eligebility. What is so difficult about that even if you live in Europe? Dont tell me they dont have pre65 trials because they do! Lets not forget, if you just want to use the oportunity to have a go at me then feel free, the original post was about the lack of entries currently of pre65 bikes at trials in scotland over the whole year and barnie made a perfectly valid suggestion that might help and all i was trying to do was applaud his foresight. Pre65 is suffering, with a few exceptions, in england too and if barnies suggestion was given some consideration then it might go some way to help pre65 entries everywhere. I suppose you dont agree that it's fair that someone who only rides the scottish pre65 gets preference over somebody who rides pre65 all year? Whatever!

Very very very good idea. It would aslso be a good idea if they adopted the same rule for ALL riders in the Pre65 Scottish wherever they come from. It really gets up peoples nose that riders get an entry for the Pre65 and it's the only Pre65 ride they do all year and then it's on someone elses bike while other riders who ride Pre65 at least every month cant get a look in for the "once a year boys". Sorry you nearly got me on my Scottish Pre65 soap box . It's a great idea barnie but i somehow see vested interest not getting it adopted.

We tried that down here the East Midlands Centre ACU Classic Championship but the last two rounds which we happened to host has 0 riders in the Pre65 Expert class and 1 rider in the clubmans class. Now it could be argued that Pre65 riders are put off because there is also a class for Twinshocks, also poorly supoported with just a handful of riders over two classes, and Pre95 Air Cooled Monos, again just a couple of riders on the Clubman route with 0 Experts bothering, but i dont for the life of me know why. Of course there's the cost of traveling arguement but i would think that would affect you guys in Scotland more than us here because though it may only be a reasonable distance as the Haggis flys it is a long way round by road to some venues in Scotland. Great for the eyes and the soul but harsh on the wallet. Good luck if the decision is to go ahead with a Scottish Championship but it didnt take off round here. Only series that seems to get much support is the Northern British Bike Rounds sponsored by PJ1 but they all include road work so perhaps thats the key? Multi venue long single lap road based trials for British Bikes only. Worth bearing in mind. good luck anyway.

For future reference it's always best to fit the hub into the frame and get the chain alignment right first then it's easy to determine the offset for the rim. On a lot of old bikes there is very little clearence between the chain and a 400 x 18 trials tyre so sometimes, like on cubs, you have to move the engine over slightly in the frame and add a spacer to the rear sprocket. Either way fit the hub. Check alignment. Measure offset and only then get the wheel built. I would have chosen a 1.85 rim for better chain clearence. Your wheelbuilder doesnt seem to know his stuff IMHO.

Sounds like the wheelbuilder didnt rebuild the wheel to the correct offset which of course you gave him before it was rebuilt didnt you? One other thing a 2.15 sounds a bit wide for the rim is that the correct size ? Would a 1.85 have been more suitable?

LOL you done that too ?

Paint it, get the drum skimmed ?