nigel dabster

Well it is special, there are lots of one off parts/carbon (back gaurd must be

The bultaco rear isn't anything special is there no alternative for you?

wigg 19 danby 41 haslam 46 all i know.

...as long as you don't include the Junior and Youth riders. These lads are an integral part of the scene and have the chance to get to be World champion at their age group, and an important stepping stone to the full championship. In the few years that I have been following the wtc closely these lower groups have increased in popularity year on year, and I am sure these will feed riders through. However these lower classes are sometimes used as "guest" classes and if this were developed to be a local country class that would increase the entries, if it were entry numbers you are after. If a simple reduction in severity is all that is needed then the 30 % split as detailed above would be a good place to start. Maybe the guy who checks the sections Michel from Belgium I think could over see the severity issue, it could be fanfared by the FIM and lesser lights encouraged to participate. Its certainly worth a try and as everyone says the top lads will always win, until it gets too a stage were they feel its too easy, then we are back to square one. It is almost an unsolvable problem and year on year the top lads get better and you and me are probably no better and the gulf between widens annually. It is summat that needs looking at and as our "shop window" should concern us all.

The ossa at the show was a non working prototype. There was some talk of it being 10,000 euros. (If that helps you)

Had them at carlisle, so all year

They will sell bucket loads if it is priced right and works.

Now we are getting somewhere! Problem 1 I see falling numbers riding the world championship. How can we increase numbers in the wtc, do we need bigger entries than the current 50 or so? Why is there on average 13 riders at the top level? Problem 2 only a few of the riders can have a fair shot at cleaning the section, the severity is too hard, or the section design is wrong? Or more likely they have gone away from the 5 hard 5 easy 5 middling rule? "before you ask how many world rounds have I been too in the last three years, the answer is none, not one nada, do you need to attend to see it's failing?" failing on some levels yes, but no you don't need to attend just the same as I know our club doesn't need gate trials even though I've only seen a few.. "I think this type of system would help world championships," Simply I don't think it will help one jot at wtc level and just think it too much of a change in the basic format, untried at the top level and will create more problems than solutions.

We don't need this system at club level who wants this in the uk? My guess is no one, you are trying to solve a problem thats not there (in the uk). We have a very successful scottish and many other trials that operate stop and no stop and all are over subscribed so what has the open free got to do with us?

The rewards from the fim are zero, start money is non existent which is an easily solvable problem.

These are things the gate trial will give you, good or bad, not problems that are solved. Its a bit like rugby union going to league and doing away with line outs, its different but not necessarily solving the problems. At world level and the open free systems used here its not gates but value of gates that is used, which has negated imho the advantages of gate trials, if any. Shirty has stated (sic) that "dibs has ridden 3 of these and is still unsure how it works/scores" so what chance spectators. The complexity of three championship riders all riding the same routes within a section will not allow an occasional spectator to understand a comparison between one rider and the next. Good or bad it is not trials as we know it and I am sure would bring problems as well as solutions. If the spanish pursue it especially under the complex "openfree" rules then i doubt it will last for long. Spain has different problems to the rest of us I'm sure, had it not been for the "spanish three" we may never have arrived where we are now.

Type it into babel fish.

Name one problem at WTC level that a gate trial will solve.

Priced up DA 55 TER which was quite reasnoble, and wrongly spaced would be DAbSTER. Which was nice.

I have been known to camp but that was a 20' air con mobile home. If theres a screen and some beer I'll be there as long as I can get a cab back to my hotel. There again the evo has lights at the mo........

As said before elsewhere the gate open free or molestation will do nothing whatsoever to improve spactator understanding/appreciation of the WTC. IT IS our "shop window" the pinnacle of our sport and if the FIM will not give no stop a try I can't see the radical move to a complicated system being accepted by anyone in their right mind. There are less than a handful of gate events in europe and my guess it will stay that way. I'm with Jordi on this one, you don't have to eat **** to know it tastes bad.

The French and spanish have not "embraced" gate trials in any shape or form.

With boysens dual stage they definately improve the bottom end not softer but cleaner, I didn't mention soft did I?

haven't had any problems on the back wheel.

boysens improve the bottom end no end

you don't need a big one for tyres (use a beader) and carbs an

Not much of the trials "factory" there I have been and its not a manufacturing centre at all. Not too sure how much they make themselves either.

The boysen reeds are very good I always had them on my sherco's. Help right through the rev range.

Its a real shame as he and his brother were really friendly and so enjoying their stay in Europe earlier this year. It is somewhat Ironic that he was such an oddity in his Full face helmet at the trials he did then goes and face plants without it back home. Best wishes for a full recovery and hopefully see the FF next year?

Maybe you are just too close to be objective, maybe I am just not that well informed to comment but the truth is somewhere between the two. As for the thousands and thousands of riders worldwide if it were everyones favourite then you would get way more trying to ride surely? I think it irrefutable that the trials riders average age is getting older, which maybe in ten years time will make ishy's thread starter appear sound and sensible, only time will tell. Meanwhile good on you for dedicating time and effort on the job,