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I think that is very wise the clutch bearings are probably fine anyway. As you say its an old bike and it isn't really worth the expenditure , it will all work fine even with the kick gears in worse condition than yours are now so you do not need to worry as when you ride the bike the noise is a lot less noticeable. As regards changing the bearings its a doddle there is just 1 x bolt in the centre of the clutch shine a torch there and you will see the allen head deep in the recess this bolt is drilled and has a hole through it for breathing of the gearbox casing so it is weak you must make sure that the allen key that you use fits tightly or it will round off and you will have to drill the head off so care is needed , with luck it may be loose.

@Steveyboy vibrations through the bars can happen if the bolts holding the front of the bash plate to the frame are not totally tightened up also make sure all the motor bolts that hold it in the frame are tight , they do not need to be stupid tight or the motor lugs may snap.

@ Steveyboy The only way to get rid of the noises is to have all those parts renewed IE the kick gear the idler gear the clutch basket and the bush and the primary drive , very expensive . It makes more sense to replace the cluch basket bush/bearings and use a grinder on any chipped damaged gears to smooth off their surfaces where they mesh.

@Steveyboy In short yes it will make lots of noise and it is normal for this to happen regularly if used a lot on a Pro model , a pair of gears for the Kick mechanism are around £200.00 these days and the best way to make sure you don't have to buy a new pair every 5 minutes is to slowly engage the gears before you kick the bike over and also when you fit the kick start do not position it on the splines too far forwards there are two positions that were used by factory riders through the years those were 12 o'clock and about 7 mins past 12. look at old WTC videos on YouTube to see these.

@ cello the World is a strange place BETA probably fitted them like that at the factory , the seal will work like that and probably cause no problems but the seal for the pump should really have a seal that has the open end with the expansion spring near the lip facing toward the coolant , the pressure of the coolant goes against that area thus helping it to seal more than without any pressure. If you check out the TRS trials bike it has a seal for the oil and a seal for the coolant with a gap between the two seals that is within a casing and that casing has a hole, if the pump seal fails coolant drips into the casing and out of the hole so that you will know it has failed .On the TRS the seal for the oil has the open end facing the oil and the seal on the pump has the open end facing the coolant as they should. Regards Alan.

The open side of the seal faces toward the greatest pressure as the gearbox casing should be vented and have minimal internal pressure and the water cooled system operates under a greater pressure to increase the boiling point of the coolant in that closed system and so the open side of the seal faces towards the impeller/pump housing cover.

@ cello RE that crack , to worry or not to worry that is the question I have had motors that had the same near a bearing housing and just left them like that fitted a new bearing and nothing bad happened. If you follow konrads advice and freeze the bearing over night before heating the casing you won't risk making it worse. Unless you are going to weld it and machine it yourself or know some one who can it will get expensive and you may as well look to buy a complete gearbox and casings off ebay etc to get a lot more for your money. If the bearing outer race turns in the housing just use a liquid bearing retainer adhesive such as Loctite 641. Regards Alan.

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JITSIE made BETA EVO disc spacers/bobbins have these measurements TOP HAT BRIM = 14mm , BOLT HOLE = 6.30mm , DISC LOCATOR BUSHING AREA = 10.20mm . The clutch pressure plate should be under spring pressure and clamping the clutch pack together it should not waggle , if you are referring to the clutch basket moving then that would be movement in the bushing or perhaps the nut that holds it on is loose?. Best of luck. Regards Alan.

@cello www.betausa.com Trials support service manuals EVO 2009- 2015 service manual the motor is very similar to the techno so use that as a guide .Techno details are harder to find now.

@ahell https://www.agbikes.co.uk/products/jitsie-keihin-carburettor-adaptor-pwk28

A farce if you do a farce if you don't . A farce it is then. I think I am just going to start stopping and hopping it at no stop events as no one seems to think stopping is a problem and I quite like the stop allowed rule which is beneficial in some of the very narrowly marked club trials routes sometimes. thanks for everyones input. Best wishes Alan.

You may find it hard to believe but I think you are absolutely right about not having another route and for all the reasons that you have listed .So to stop the farce of people stopping and observers allowing a 3 when they clearly fived it because they feel sorry for them just make the event stop allowed and there won't be any nonsense of making the rules up as they go along or perhaps men can be women depending on who is deciding. Its all very confusing, as they say rules are made for breaking. Best wishes Alan.

I understand your concern about ruining the event I am not suggesting two lines just have an exit point in the section before the super hard stuff for those that clearly are not at that level of riding, it would save time for all and be less of a farce. The real point is trouble with all the stopping in the sections in a supposedly no stop marked trial the top riders can keep the bike going because they have the skills but also because of their fitness level being higher than the average rider. The two routes suggestion is only based on that or the easy way is just mark it stop allowed and the same at club trials that are run as no-stop , all I seem to see is people stopping but the results do not show those fives. To me that is just a farce what is the point of the rule if it is that flexible IE whatever you fancy.

@lemur I Absolutely agree with you regarding the points you make although speaking specifically on the SSDT 2025 out of 280 odd riders a lot of the sections over the week are really only suited to about 25% of that number hence the constant stopping that is seen in the videos perhaps it is time the vast majority of the entry were given their own shorter more manageable sections within the same areas marked out for the 25% that actually can make a good attempt at the present more challenging route. that is obviously designed especially to suit approx 5 riders who are fighting for the win.

If any one cares to engage by watching this video starting at 2mins 12seconds you will see rider 145 making a valiant attempt in the section for a well earned 3 marks lost. And followed by many more well fought for 3 mark losses , they would have been 5s but they felt sorry for them.

Hello trapezeartist to me that interpretation sounds very similar to the no stop rules in the past in the FIM WTC. When will this nonsense stop if they just made all trials stop allowed it would help every one because if you momentarily stop then you have stopped and if the trial is under no stop allowed rules then the mark is 5 lost surely . if you are flexible about this then the rule is not being followed and if you are going to let people stop without penalty then you are using the rules of stop allowed. No wonder the World is in the state it is in after all no one seems to know what a woman is these days so it is no wonder they think that stopping is exactly the same as moving. I do not think their is much point to having the rules if you then move the goal posts around because you feel sorry for people because they have put a lot of effort into riding the section . I think it may be just me as I saw some riders at a club trial recently that were riding a no stop event but were fully stopping and hopping and also actually purposely following a line outside of the marked section in order to ride up a step on an easier trajectory this happened right in front of an observer and these rides were not marked as fives , using your interpretation of the no stop rule I can now understand why this happened.

This may not sit well with some. https://youtu.be/BpUhsyjfHUU?si=U3DfVOaCy4rBU

www.beamishownersclub.com History will give you the most of the story. Regards Alan.

Trials marking is out of the window, not surprising I suppose when the World seems to be full of liars as in people lying to themselves such as what the meaning of the word non-stop is. The spectators at the SSDT all clapping the many obvious 5 marks lost of the majority of the entry , perhaps people think that if a rider manages to travel from the section start to section ends cards means that the 5 marks lost for stopping/reversing 20 times while doing that should not apply because they feel sorry for them. Well as they say 'nevermind'.

I just watched a video of day 3 of the SSDT is this event stop allowed these days? .

@RonH Hello , have you checked that the hole in the Bleed valve is clear of debris and that it has not been deformed at the tip by over tightening . If everything else is fine then that could be your problem, also sometimes they need opening quite a few turns before they will allow fluid to flow well. Best wishes Alan.

You used a confused emoji on something I posted above. ie I said that the things you own end up owning you.

@ stou yeah mmmm try this https://youtu.be/tB_bFTSqaBk?si=zyf8QOXMzubzuNpk

Undo the lock nut on the lever with a 10mm spanner and unscrew the adjuster screw to allow the master cylinder piston to touch the circlip and thus open the circuit to the reservoir. if that does not work you have a blockage somewhere.